CEI Report post Posted March 8, 2012 I see some very positive things happening since we got wind of HB2072. Sportsmen are coming together and letting their views be heard and are becoming passionate about those views and what happens here in Arizona. Keep this up and we can do some good for our state and the habitat and wildlife that we are so passionate about. +1 Honestly, the bill states some very factual reasons to raise money, but the means from which they want to raise money is not sound. It's still public money & public wildlife. I think the Anti's could spin this one on us & point out that we are stealing public funding to hire lobbyists. We are supposed to be the GOOD guys, not the left wing crazy freaks! Many are ignorant & they don't get that we are LOSING hunters & access. Many hunters believe we have MORE hunters than we should, they want less! They want to draw more often, well heck don't we all! We are seeing more people in the field because there is LESS places to hunt! I sent Amanda a Region 3 General Deer Hunt breakdown, with regards to a HUGE decrease in applicants over the past 10+ years. It's startling! The only hunts that are getting harder to draw are the PREMIUM hunts. The general deer tags are at all time LOWS, low success rates & increasing in draw odds for these hunts. It's great because I can draw a general tag, but with out the recruitment & retention we are FINISHED. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
elkaholic Report post Posted March 8, 2012 I wonder where Jan Brewer will stand on HB2072. Her new Book " Scorpions for Breakfast", is about her fight against "Special Interests"! IS HB2072 NOT A SPECIAL INTEREST???? well tell her !! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coueshunter Report post Posted March 8, 2012 Craig, are you involved with any wildlife org? I think you would be a good fresh voice if you wanted to get involved. now more than ever wildlife orgs need volunteers with the willingness to help. everyone should think about how they can lend a hand.....contact me or amanda.........allen Taylor........... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CEI Report post Posted March 18, 2012 Craig, are you involved with any wildlife org? I think you would be a good fresh voice if you wanted to get involved. now more than ever wildlife orgs need volunteers with the willingness to help. everyone should think about how they can lend a hand.....contact me or amanda.........allen Taylor........... Allen, I am a member of several state based organizations & 1 national. My problem with the State based stuff is typically the meetings are in the valley area & I don't have the time or money to drive down that often. It takes every spare dime & nickel to start a business in this economy, plus I have two young kids that I take out into the woods, coach their teams & other activites. So, I guess you can say I have excuses... I do like that the State based money all stays in AZ, unlike the National Organizations. At this point, I am very leery as to what conservation groups I will renew with, it's just my honest feelings. If I don't have the time to sit thru meetings & voice my own opinion, I don't want to be misrepresented on a personal or professional level. The bottom line is, if I am a paying member I want to be an active member, so I can make sure my personal opinions were expressed. I do get the emails & newletters from some of the groups & some guys have even reached out to me at one point in time. Honestly, I do feel out of the loop on a lot of this stuff, which is good & bad, but I am not sure it is going to get any better until my kids are grown. My FIRST priorty is my family & then the outdoors. Thanks! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snapshot Report post Posted March 18, 2012 I wonder where Jan Brewer will stand on HB2072. Her new Book " Scorpions for Breakfast", is about her fight against "Special Interests"! IS HB2072 NOT A SPECIAL INTEREST???? well tell her !! I did exactly that. Have not received any response from her office. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TLH Report post Posted March 19, 2012 Craig, are you involved with any wildlife org? I think you would be a good fresh voice if you wanted to get involved. now more than ever wildlife orgs need volunteers with the willingness to help. everyone should think about how they can lend a hand.....contact me or amanda.........allen Taylor........... Allen, I am a member of several state based organizations & 1 national. My problem with the State based stuff is typically the meetings are in the valley area & I don't have the time or money to drive down that often. It takes every spare dime & nickel to start a business in this economy, plus I have two young kids that I take out into the woods, coach their teams & other activites. So, I guess you can say I have excuses... I do like that the State based money all stays in AZ, unlike the National Organizations. At this point, I am very leery as to what conservation groups I will renew with, it's just my honest feelings. If I don't have the time to sit thru meetings & voice my own opinion, I don't want to be misrepresented on a personal or professional level. The bottom line is, if I am a paying member I want to be an active member, so I can make sure my personal opinions were expressed. I do get the emails & newletters from some of the groups & some guys have even reached out to me at one point in time. Honestly, I do feel out of the loop on a lot of this stuff, which is good & bad, but I am not sure it is going to get any better until my kids are grown. My FIRST priorty is my family & then the outdoors. Thanks! Craig, I don't care how much money anyone can raise if it doesn't rain more and snow more then it will not get better any time soon. How much money do we need to make it rain like it did before the drought? Sounds silly doesn't it? Well it may sound silly but not as silly as taking 350 tags away from all of us who apply each year and keep our fingers crossed then sale those tags (yes i know that approx. 300 of those tags will be raffle tags) to use it to have our very own Expo like Utah and Nevada has (we have two now) then pay for our lobbyist to fight for the rights of hunters like us--then take the remainder and use it on conservation--that sounds more silly to me than paying for rain because it doesn't do a dang thing to improve the issues we have due to the drought. The main reason we have issues with recruitment is because times have changed and parents both work and worry about their careers and this means that the kids get video machines and money to go to the mall. It is a big city state now Craig not like it was when you were a kid or even when i was a kid--heck i remember when they let us out of school for deer season and now that the liberals teach our kids this doesn't happen in the big city. How many of you have heard grown up hunters bitch because kids get over the counter tags? Do you think this encourages the kids to get out and hunt when we all should be praising this idea instead of bitching about it? The thought of people complaining about the turkey hunts just pisses me off! We have youth deer camps each year in Unit 22 and 23 and i hear from the grown ups that the kids are shooting all of their deer! This is a bunch of BS and if they would hunt they would see more deer than they ever would but you know as well as i do that some people drive the roads and hope they see a deer! Come on! Really? I can't tell you how cool it is to see these kids hunt hard and get a nice little buck or a nice big buck--i am proud of them because they hunted not drove and killed an animal but i am more proud of them that they have a great time and bring new kids each year. Craig, i am not sure if there are any good merits in this bill--they used 1996 data in all of their figures and that is the last year we had good rain and the beginning of this terrible drought--is this fair? no but it is politics at its finest. The tags have actually started to go up along with some of the mule deer herds in the state but not everywhere. All i am saying is this; the data they show is a way to make us all panic and believe the sky is falling! The major issue is that the fawns (all of them) have no place to hide once they are dropped--how do we make the grass grow with out water? We have water holes and the deer and antelope can drink but if they can't hide their young long enough to get them to run away from predators it makes no difference. So, let me ask one more time--how many tags will it take to make this drought go away? Make it rain and you have more deer to hunt--more kids will be out there and seeing deer and that is what makes them come back for more--with out the rain the deer herds keep falling and the kids will hunt for 3 or 4 days and not see a buck or even a deer then they will say the heck with it--i am staying home and playing games. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krp Report post Posted March 19, 2012 Amen brother... I truly hate fear mongering... I think lobbying has ruined this country and taken what little voice of the people away... there's no such thing as a constituency anymore...3% of the populace fought against tyranny in the revolution that created this country and won... of the 97%, Some still wanted it, some didn't care, some did. our 3% against their .01% who are actually going to fight not just hide behind the curtains... let's win again. Kent Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
