AZLance Report post Posted February 4, 2012 Lawsuit dismissed This is great news for jobs and the economy in southern AZ. This judge dismissed the lawsuit with prejudice, meaning these enviro wackos cant sue for this again! The Center for Biological Diversity and the wackos got defeated! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billrquimby Report post Posted February 4, 2012 Unfortunately, win or lose, the lawyers for these groups will be paid with taxpayer dollars because their lawsuit was "in the public's interest." Bill Quimby Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elkhunter1 Report post Posted February 4, 2012 This "victory" might be a good thing in your perspective but it isn't in mine and many others. That area has been hunted by my family for over 40 yrs. With the mine there all we have is a huge eye sore that doesn't really benefit us as a whole. The amount of jobs created by the mine doesn't even come close to the devastation that will never be repaired. IMHO Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AZLance Report post Posted February 4, 2012 I too have been hunting, hiking and camping in this area for over 30 years. I also own property near the proposed mine. This mine will be good for the area, and the wildlife will continue to thrive just like they have near the Morenci mine. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elkhunter1 Report post Posted February 4, 2012 Ok besides the eye sore there is a great possibility of irreversable damage to the water table and the enviroment in general. The risk is too great to let this mine go any further than they already have. One question I have is did they have the necesary permits to clear the land they have already? Seems to me if they haven't gotten the permits to start mining why, have they cleared so much land? ALL IS IMHO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AZLance Report post Posted February 4, 2012 Ok besides the eye sore there is a great possibility of irreversable damage to the water table and the enviroment in general. The risk is too great to let this mine go any further than they already have. One question I have is did they have the necesary permits to clear the land they have already? Seems to me if they haven't gotten the permits to start mining why, have they cleared so much land? ALL IS IMHO. I'm sure if they didn't have the necessary permits your friends at the Center for Biological Diversity and the other enviro wacko groups will be filling another lawsuit at taxpayers expense. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elkhunter1 Report post Posted February 4, 2012 Ok besides the eye sore there is a great possibility of irreversible damage to the water table and the environment in general. The risk is too great to let this mine go any further than they already have. One question I have is did they have the necessary permits to clear the land they have already? Seems to me if they haven't gotten the permits to start mining why, have they cleared so much land? ALL IS IMHO. I'm sure if they didn't have the necessary permits your friends at the Center for Biological Diversity and the other enviro wacko groups will be filling another lawsuit at taxpayers expense. Lets get one thing straight those groups aren't my friends, pals, or even acquaintances. Just because their agenda is the same as mine doesn't put us in the same category or even in the same canyon. Now having said that, I understand your position, good jobs although for a few. Lets not let this situation make us enemies as we both love hunting and the environment we live in. We are just on opposite sides of the fence. Happy hunting to you and yours. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronaldo Report post Posted February 4, 2012 Without projects like this popping up all over the state, the economy will stay piss poor with no jobs. Prices of gas and copper will stay high and no one will have any expendable income. If we allow the Enviro idiots and liberal wackos to continue to run things, we will be in a sad state of affairs very soon. Look what they have already done to us? Stopped the Alaska/Texas pipeline just to name one. Its not like the animals are just gonna die when they see the bulldozers and crews. they can move to some of the other millions of square miles of grassland and forest and desert, Just like you can when this mine opens... Its no big deal, We need jobs,high paying jobs..Regardless if its a couple or a couple hundred...IMHO>>> Ron This "victory" might be a good thing in your perspective but it isn't in mine and many others. That area has been hunted by my family for over 40 yrs. With the mine there all we have is a huge eye sore that doesn't really benefit us as a whole. The amount of jobs created by the mine doesn't even come close to the devastation that will never be repaired. IMHO 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmer Negamanee Report post Posted February 4, 2012 Lets not let this situation make us enemies as we both love hunting and the environment we live in. We are just on opposite sides of the fence. Happy hunting to you and yours. Well said. You’re a class act. People can disagree without being disagreeable. Passion is good but civility is important too. Especially nowadays. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elkhunter1 Report post Posted February 4, 2012 Without projects like this popping up all over the state, the economy will stay piss poor with no jobs. Prices of gas and copper will stay high and no one will have any expendable income. If we allow the Enviro idiots and liberal wackos to continue to run things, we will be in a sad state of affairs very soon. Look what they have already done to us? Stopped the Alaska/Texas pipeline just to name one. Its not like the animals are just gonna die when they see the bulldozers and crews. they can move to some of the other millions of square miles of grassland and forest and desert, Just like you can when this mine opens... Its no big deal, We need jobs,high paying jobs..Regardless if its a couple or a couple hundred...IMHO>>> Ron This "victory" might be a good thing in your perspective but it isn't in mine and many others. That area has been hunted by my family for over 40 yrs. With the mine there all we have is a huge eye sore that doesn't really benefit us as a whole. The amount of jobs created by the mine doesn't even come close to the devastation that will never be repaired. IMHO Please don't misunderstand my actions or words. My position on this situation is simply to much destruction for the amount of jobs created. I have CDL experience and could possibly get one of those jobs but I don't think I could go to work every day and see the vastness of the destruction created with the potential for long term damage the the water shed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elkhunter1 Report post Posted February 4, 2012 Lets not let this situation make us enemies as we both love hunting and the environment we live in. We are just on opposite sides of the fence. Happy hunting to you and yours. Well said. You're a class act. People can disagree without being disagreeable. Passion is good but civility is important too. Especially nowadays. Thank you for your kind words, I don't think any situation like this should come between any opportunity to make a friend or hunting partner, especially one so passionate for our way of life. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
azman Report post Posted February 5, 2012 AZLANE and RON, It is a shame that there are two hunters (azlane and Ron) here that say they love the wildlife, spend money to help manage them and their habitat. But you would rather play a role in destroying the very habitat that at least one of you hunt. I guess that you really do not care. I was hunting this area this past weekend and it is a big shame what this mining company is already doing to the scenic and beautiful Santa Rits Mountains. You say that we need jobs and it is okay to keep destroying the habitat that we have left to create just a few jobs. All of this for a mine that is predicted to only produce about 5% of the copper in the Country. So where do we stop? When there is not habitat left, not wilderness, no trees? Ron - you said "The animals can go anywhere in the millions of acres that are out there". It is obvious that neither of you two know a single thing about how nature really works. Have you ever heard of the term carring capacity or the need for food, water, and shelter for wildlife to live? I know that are numbers are down, but there is only so much room for the wildlife that we have and the wildlife that will be dispersed from this mine have to go somewhere. They will ove into anothers territory and will need to compete with them. Well not all will survive and you will loose wildlife. This is how biology works. It would be just a matter of time before you will find less wildlife in this portion of the Santa Rita Mountains. And yes some will live and still be around the mine, but your hunting area will be greatly diminished and you will be able to hunt on the mine. I guess you expect the very large pit and the tailings to hold deer, javelina, lions, etc. Did you also know that the mine company plans on leaving the mine as an open pit and not revegetate the area? Much like the Duvall Mine southwest of Tucson. I did my Master's degree on the Gila Topminnow down in Cienega Creek. I for one do not want to see this fish go extint or loose this population due to a mine that will only produce a small amount of copper. You may say what is a Gila Topminnow or who cares. It is a part of an ecosystem that functions on this earth and has meaning and a purpose. When you start eliminating them the ecosystem goes out of wack. LZLANE - would you like this mine to look just like the Duvall Mine???? especially destroying the area you say you grew up hunting in. NOT ME. RON - lets do an open pit mine in Pinetop and destroy all that habitat up there. You can have all the jobs in the world you want, but if you have no habitat left then what do you have, a vast waste land. I for one like what we have today and would like to see it in the future for my kids and grandkids to enjoy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AZLance Report post Posted February 5, 2012 Azman, Are you a plant from the Sierra Club or Center for Biological Diversity? You question whether I really care about hunting, but you are supporting the enviro wackos and siding with them! Nice try! Go back to counting minnows... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
azman Report post Posted February 5, 2012 AZLane, I am not a plant from the Sierra Club or the Center for Biological Diversity nor would I ever work for them. I do not agree with all the things that they do, but shutting this mine down is something that I agree with them on. I am a wildlife biologist and an environmental planner with a higher education than you, as it appears. I am also an avid hunter that has been hunting in Arizona for more than 35 years. In fact I grew up in Tucson hunting the Santa Rita Mountains and would like to see them stay as they are. I am a person who cares deeply for protecting the remaining habitat that we have in this state and care about the willdife that I hunt and for the wildlife that enhabit the mountains. This includes the Gila Topminnow, an endangered native fish (in case you where not aware of what they are). I see that you are for destroying habitat just to create a few jobs and copper. SInce you say you live down there get ready to find another hunting place and prepare to haul in water to drink. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elkhunter1 Report post Posted February 5, 2012 Azman, Are you a plant from the Sierra Club or Center for Biological Diversity? You question whether I really care about hunting, but you are supporting the enviro wackos and siding with them! Nice try! Go back to counting minnows... OK enough is enough. AZLANCE it is painfully clear you are the type of person that goes straight to the name calling when someone has an opinion that differs from yours. Well here I go getting way down to your level as I see you only understand your level. Wow this is harder than it looks, I can't really find the words to describe what I think of you. How do you do it? I guess the best I can do is you are the type of hunter that doesn't care about any other hunters or any place but "your" hunting grounds. You might think you are all "high and Mighty" but you hit the ground just as hard as the rest of us. If mining is the only thing you can do then I'm right,,,,, YOU CAN'T BE RETRAINED, are you just an old dog? SORRY JIMMER I just couldn't hold out any longer, some times you just have stand and push back! It's all some poeple understand. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
