krp Report post Posted February 15, 2012 Butters, no problem... my agenda on the posts were addressing Warbird and John as officials of ADA and their statements... It's obvious they are attempting to redirect the conversation off azsfw/2072 and the real issues... heck, I'm trying to generate 10.00 donations, exposure... and I can play any game they want. Kent Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AZLance Report post Posted February 15, 2012 Count me in for $10! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AZLance Report post Posted February 15, 2012 And to top it off, if PBJ, SMACK, BUTTERS, and WARBIRD donate $10, And I'll match it! Calling you out! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krp Report post Posted February 15, 2012 Thanks guys, I've got 6... 14 to go. Kent Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
audsley Report post Posted February 15, 2012 I must have gotten lost somewhere along the way. What's with the $10? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krp Report post Posted February 15, 2012 If I get 20 pledges for 10 bucks I show at the meeting... you have to trust me on what it's for... lol Of course it seems some have trusted more money to worse causes... this is like chess and I'm 3 moves ahead. Kent Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
audsley Report post Posted February 15, 2012 If 3,000 hunters and anglers gave $10 a year, we (the state's sportsmen) could probably have our own sportsmen's advocacy group. Annual dues could be collected by automatic credit card charges through web sites like this one. Someone suggested to me that if you have 3,000 sportsmen paying in, you'll get 3,000 conflicting opinions on direction and priorities. But this ignores the concept of "representative democracy" in which individuals are elected to represent the members and given the power to act in accordance with rules and procedures designed to ensure transparency and accountability. A representative democracy does not preclude electronic surveys, polling and even direct votes on certain issues by the members. If Arizona sportsmen want an advocacy group, I believe we'll have to form one. It's my impression that AZSFW is headed for Chapter 11 (figuratively speaking). I believe an effort to form a new organization would be far more productive than meeting with ADA to complain about AZSFW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krp Report post Posted February 15, 2012 That has merit... but the azsfw threat must be addressed to the end and more importantly, even if it was dead today. We have to exercise the emotional demons in our hunting community it has generated. This emotional infection is festering and won't go away on it's own. Does anyone think I like having a spotlight on me, I originally just wanted to submit some info so people would think and be informed on real issues. Lets lance this boil and get as much infection to the surface, see if we can't start some healing and move on to issue like yours. Kent 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
audsley Report post Posted February 15, 2012 You may well be right, KRP. I gave my ideas about representative democracy to the AZSFW organizers several years ago but was blown off. Maybe what you're putting them through is necessary to convince the diehards that AZSFW as we know it is dead in the water and a big change is needed. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
elkaholic Report post Posted February 15, 2012 I think you might already owe me 10$ - lol but i'm in! "Stupid words by stupid people LOL your such a tool I see the same 5 trouble makers are still at it. Smackattack " SA- and it doesn't stand for smack attack -- I gotta ask - Did I make it to the big time and actually belong to a group - "5 trouble makers " I know it may not include myself but gee i hope so - quite the honor i might add - if not can you please rephrase your statment and call us 6 trouble makers - or I'll feel left out! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.270 Report post Posted February 15, 2012 I guess he didn't realize that one if the stupid people i was referring to was him. And when he used 'your' instead of 'you're' he sorta proved my point. Lark. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krp Report post Posted February 16, 2012 I'm up to 7... 13 more And for the record, I'm not one of the 5 troublemakers... I'm not like that... anymore... Kent Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.270 Report post Posted February 16, 2012 Yeah ya are. Smacky said so. Lark. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AZLance Report post Posted February 16, 2012 And to top it off, if PBJ, SMACK, BUTTERS, and WARBIRD donate $10, I'll match it! Calling you out! Come on guys... The silence is deafening... Put your money where your mouth is... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krp Report post Posted February 16, 2012 Maybe they could set up one of those tank dump chairs over the fish aquarium... I could charge 10 bucks a throw from the azsfw supporters... I'd make thousands... Kent Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
