cmc Report post Posted February 1, 2012 Lark you keep saying it's not worth anything but in talking with lumber company folks they tell me otherwise. If it can't be turned into board feet the value in making pellets is quite high. One interesting use was for powering manufacture plants and large farms instead of wind or solar. I'm sorry that you fail to see more uses of the the wood product than 2x4s & 2x6s, but they are out there. cmc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shanehamblin Report post Posted February 1, 2012 They have a small mill set up here in Eagar in the yard where the old Southwest mill was. From what I understand everything going to that mill is coming from out of the Blue, but i could be wrong. either way they are milling logs here in town. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pine Donkey Report post Posted February 1, 2012 1328066975[/url]' post='292859']They have a small mill set up here in Eagar in the yard where the old Southwest mill was. From what I understand everything going to that mill is coming from out of the Blue, but i could be wrong. either way they are milling logs here in town. It's nice to hear there are new mills popping up. Logging used to be a huge part of that community. It is sad to drive past the old saw mill site. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shanehamblin Report post Posted February 1, 2012 Ya my grandpa was a welder at the mill and when they got shut down he said the day would come when instead of falling asleep to the sound of the chipper we'd fall asleep to the sounds of choppers puttin out a fire.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pine Donkey Report post Posted February 1, 2012 1328069756[/url]' post='292876']Ya my grandpa was a welder at the mill and when they got shut down he said the day would come when instead of falling asleep to the sound of the chipper we'd fall asleep to the sounds of choppers puttin out a fire.... He was so right. My grandfather and uncle worked at the Flagstaff mill years ago. If you have not ever lived in a small one horse town, like a mining or logging town, you just won't understand the importance of a mill or mine. It becomes the constant that everything revolves around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
azslim Report post Posted February 1, 2012 Shut down of logging operations is why I went in the Marine Corps in 1980, to my knowledge there are only small mills operating in Wy now. The mill in Cody got shut down many years back. A couple years ago FS approached the owner and asked him what it would take to get it up and running again, they don't want horrendous fires as a result of all the beetle kills. He told them about 10 mil but he had no desire to even try, he predicted this way back when his mill first got shut down due to lack of trees. Good chance I real be real busy again this fire season. The anti group needs to read up on Aldo Leopold and renewable resources. Unfortunately all they know about wildlife & wilderness is from watching Walt Disney when they were kids. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rthrbhntng Report post Posted February 1, 2012 The Arizona Elk Society has been involved in numerous meetings that include logging companies down to small mom and pop start ups coming on line to use the lumber not only from the fire but also lumber from the 4 Forest Restoration Initiative. One of the last meetings was in Springerville and the USFS with other funding providers were on hand to help many of these companies apply for grants to get the new businesses on line. Many are small mills, others are wood stove pellet making businesses. The 4FRI has a plan to log up to 2 million acres of Pine Forests in Arizona. The Arizona Elk Society has a wildlife biologist on staff that attends all the meetings to make sure that the wildlife habitat interests of the AES and Arizona Sportsmen are considered in the planning. Another note would be that many of the Environmental groups are at the table and have publicly supported the plan. It is still in the planning process but the projects have already started. One difference tot he Rodeo/Chedeski is that most of the RC burned on Tribal land and was immediately logged to the benefit of the tribes. All one needs to do is look at the habitat that it created and wonder why the USFS can't get anything done in an efficient time frame to make money off the logging. The USFS is constantly looking for $$$$s but can't get anything done the environmental constantly suing them. Fortunately they are working close with them on the 4FRI and so far it is going well. It is not just smoke and mirrors since they have written in support of the plan. Not that they can be trusted but at least the USFS is trying to work with them. The point of this note is to let you know that if the stars align there are some great plans being developed. The 4FRI is a 20 year plan to log at least 50,000 acres a year. There is a lot of info on it on the USFS website and some on the AES website under issues. Steve Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.270 Report post Posted February 2, 2012 the problem with the usfs is it is a burro-acracy and it is runs by burros. when they try to get funding and then if they do secure the funding, the first thing they do is see how many jobs they can create and how many promotions they can wrangle out of it, then if there is money left to do the work, they might get a little done. it's an age old story of how the gov't works. when they get money for road work or a new building or anything you can think of, the last thing that sees the money is the actual work. time and time again burrocrats will spend everything they get for a job getting ready for the job and be outta money for the project before the project truly gets started. anyone can see we need to cut trees. or did, the wallow fire took care of a lotta stuff. they know they should, or should have, cut trees. but red tape is a real thing and when dozens of burrocrats have input in a project and all have to sign off on it, this is what happens. throw in the treehuggers filing lawsuits of virtually everything and you have a reg'lar ol' catch 22. i used to know a guy that was an equipt operator for the forest circus. ran into him during the late elk hunt, blading the roads in late nov. about a foot of snow already all the road. i stopped and bs'd for a minute and axed why he was blading it this time of year. they would be snowed in in another week or so. he said they had some money left in their budget for the fiscal year and had to spend it or lose it, so they were blading roads like crazy to spend it all. they should have gave everyone a xmas bonus instead. it would have done some good that way. they bladed roads that were going to be in deep snow and see no traffic until late spring and then they would be a quagmire of mud that would be rutted up by spring traffic. burro-cracies are not very efficient. Lark. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
