gotcoues Report post Posted January 25, 2012 My buck has a G4 on his left side but it seems to be a bit close to the G3 causing a web effect and better mass. He is only a 3point on the right, so my question is should I take the larger mass measurement and call it a tine or should I take the measurement halfway from the G3 and the tip of the beam and consider an extra. Also, it is inline with the other points I over scored my 2011 buck and would like to get more precise at scoring wt, thanks in advance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
THOR Report post Posted January 25, 2012 Im not 100% sure but because it comes not directly of the main beam i think it should be scored as a NT point and you then would not take the mass measurment there and score it as a 3 point with one extra coming of the G3. I think im right....not fore sure though!!! Mark Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHT_MTNMAN Report post Posted January 25, 2012 I'm wrong quite often... but if you draw a line along the long axis of G3 and G4 they do not intersect until past the main beam. So I believe they will be scored separately with H4 taken in between. Again I'm probably wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gotcoues Report post Posted January 25, 2012 I'm wrong quite often... but if you draw a line along the long axis of G3 and G4 they do not intersect until past the main beam. So I believe they will be scored separately with H4 taken in between. Again I'm probably wrong. I'm not following you on this.... I'm a drywaller if that tells you anything, bare with me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gotcoues Report post Posted January 25, 2012 My guess is..... The final answer will be it is an extra and the mass will be taken out on the beam. I emailed Amanda and will post her answer when she responds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gotcoues Report post Posted January 25, 2012 Im not 100% sure but because it comes not directly of the main beam i think it should be scored as a NT point and you then would not take the mass measurment there and score it as a 3 point with one extra coming of the G3. I think im right....not fore sure though!!! Mark This is what I was thinking as well, and your reasoning makes sense to me about mass from both tines "overlapping" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CouesWhitetail Report post Posted January 25, 2012 The answer is....well, it's complicated.... From your picture it looks to me like it would be a normal tine coming off the main beam and therefore the mass would be taken between the two points and thus the buck would be penalized for it's lack of symmetry in tine number and mass measurements. However, if you think that tine is a branch off the 3rd and doesn't come off the main beam, then it's a abnormal point and you would take your circumference 1/2 way to the end of the main beam as you mentioned. There is a special rule for a situation called Common base points also that may apply here. Common base points are points that are somewhat joined near the base and share some webbing between them. In order to determine if they are common base points, you have to take a look at the cross section of the base and see if it would form a clear figure eight. I am not sure if this link will work ok, but I did a search for common base points boone and crockett and you might be able to read all it about it here: http://books.google.com/books?id=OhFnqfEqIC8C&pg=PA31&dq=boone+and+crockett+common+base+points&hl=en&sa=X&ei=P2UgT6D5KuarsQKPwt2pDg&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=boone%20and%20crockett%20common%20base%20points&f=false Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viper Report post Posted January 25, 2012 My buck had similar webbing. What I understand is you take the mass measurements between each point, and half way between G4 and beam tip. The G3 and G4 point measurement is taken from a projected line between the webbed "valley", not from a projected line along the beam...so you don't double dip on the mass/point measurements. Maybe someone else has some more accurate input. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viper Report post Posted January 25, 2012 Here my post regarding this same question, on my buck. Maybe the replies will help. http://forums.coueswhitetail.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=28203&st=0&p=276259&fromsearch=1entry276259 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHT_MTNMAN Report post Posted January 25, 2012 These are the lines somewhat on the long axis of the tine. They don't intersect (from this picture) until after they pass the main beam again that is my interpretation right or wrong not quite sure. Tough to score for sure. Amanda seemed to think that they were seperate also, but again hard to tell from the picture. Mass would be between points Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gotcoues Report post Posted January 25, 2012 These are the lines somewhat on the long axis of the tine. They don't intersect (from this picture) until after they pass the main beam again that is my interpretation right or wrong not quite sure. Tough to score for sure. Amanda seemed to think that they were seperate also, but again hard to tell from the picture. Mass would be between points Thanks, that is the follow up I needed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gotcoues Report post Posted January 25, 2012 Amanda, Wow I clicked the link and found some good humor in how serious this scoring business is. I now feel precise was a bad choice of words in my original post and general knowledge is what my desire is at this time. Ok I'm scoring in between the points, taking the higher mass measurement and nets are fish........ FINAL ANSWER Thanks for the quick responses everyone, very appreciated Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CouesWhitetail Report post Posted January 25, 2012 Amanda, Wow I clicked the link and found some good humor in how serious this scoring business is. I now feel precise was a bad choice of words in my original post and general knowledge is what my desire is at this time. Ok I'm scoring in between the points, taking the higher mass measurement and nets are fish........ FINAL ANSWER Thanks for the quick responses everyone, very appreciated LOL!! Yes, there are a lot of rules and regulations with scoring and that link is for the Boone and Crockett manual which helps measurers learn the scoring system. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
azslim Report post Posted January 25, 2012 I'd butcher the meat and stick it in the freezer, boil the head and hang it on the wall, call him a good buck and try for a bigger one next year. But then I'm a crusty old oddball. I could kill the next world record and only a few people would know, from my side of the fence scores are for games. He is a nice buck, hope next year you get a bigger one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SunDevil Report post Posted January 26, 2012 I think Josh's example in the attached link is the most helpful and should clear up your question. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
