Tines Report post Posted January 22, 2012 Thought I'd share a new product out. A friend of mine developed this new vane. It's been in the works for a while. I can assure you that he doesn't let something go untested. They sort of remind me of the FOBS but more durable, can be shot through a Whisker Biscuit (something MANY hunters shoot) and pliable like a standard vane. I've been shooting them since August and I've been extremely happy. He just introduced them at the ATA show last week. They take like 5 minutes to install a dozen vanes. I didn't need the tool and I think most won't. I'm a "simple" kind of guy who appreciates efficient, durable equipment. Anything "hunter friendly" is my friend in the field. I'm a skeptic with lots of things. I don't fall for gimmicks. He encouraged me to be critical with these and I was. I couldn't find anything..... These vanes are everything as advertised. Check them out! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gauchoand Report post Posted January 22, 2012 Love the idea. I have been fletching arrows for a while now just so I can shoot the vanes I want (3" fusions) at the offset/helical I want. But, anyone who fletches arrows knows that fletching a couple dozen arrows is pretty time consuming. This looks like a good Idea I will be trying these out when I can find some. Heat shrinks never worked well for me and Fobs hated my Ripcord rest. The fact that these are glued on should solve the problems I've experienced with the heat shrink fletching and is there is a lot about fobs that this improves over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Rabbit Report post Posted January 22, 2012 Are they straight, offset, helical? edited-OK found it 2* offset http://www.outerlimitarchery.com/blood-vane.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Redman Report post Posted January 23, 2012 31 grains.... that's pretty heavy. My FOC is already pretty poor with Blazers at 15 grains... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tines Report post Posted January 23, 2012 31 grains.... that's pretty heavy. My FOC is already pretty poor with Blazers at 15 grains... If FOC really made this much of a difference than the FOBS would be the worst "vane" on the market. They're not. And like the Blood Vane, the FOBS made some advancements in vane replacement and eased the burden of fletching. I thought about FOC when I got them. However, the new ones are lighter than the proto-types I first tried out. Both have shot fantastic! And from what I found, the extra 15+ or - grains made no difference in my arrow flight from when I was shooting Blazers. That being said, it was much less than 15 grains difference. But you got me thinking about some things. So I did some comparison.... 3 Blazer vanes- 19 grains 1 Blood Vane- 31 grains Difference of just 12 grains. Fletched Blazer shaft- 287 grains Fletched Blood Vane shaft- 296.4 grains Difference of 9.4 grains NOT 12 grains (this might be explained below AND factoring in glue). I then measured 6 bare shafts of the same length and nock. These are PSE Radial X weave Pro shafts and standard nocks. I found they were all within 4 grains of eachother. Just 4 grains. I then took 3 different nocks. The standard that come on the X-weave shafts, a Beiter nock and a Gold Tip nock. Beiter- 10.8 grains GT- 12.0 grains PSE nock- 11 grains Difference of up to 1.2 grains. So MORE THAN HALF of the 9.4 grain difference involved here is out of our control. Tolerances aren't tight enough in this world out of a vacuum. Is it better to get everything as close as possible? Sometimes... Because only sometimes does the benefits far out-weigh the "disadvantages". FOC is like paper tuning, IMO. It's a great reference but we are far inferior for it to make a difference with what the FAR majority of us are doing. Bullet holes are nice but they don't always equate into accuracy or efficiency. Your FOC will change from a 100gr fixed broadhead to a 100gr field point. Crazy, huh? Not by much but the hairs we'll split are relative if you catch my drift from the numbers above. The inconsistencies we have in hand torque, release vs fingers, wind drift, arrow spine, bow tuning, etc.. are all factors that positively or negatively affect FOC. If I sound argumentative, I apologize. Not my intentions. Just thought I'd share with you what I've come up with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gauchoand Report post Posted January 23, 2012 31 grains.... that's pretty heavy. My FOC is already pretty poor with Blazers at 15 grains... Absolutely important I agree. But for me 5 inch wrap with 3- 3 inch vanes @8 grains apiece. I might be ahead with these. Only concern is my helical is a little more than 2* Im sure. I like my arrows with a little more spin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Redman Report post Posted January 24, 2012 31 grains.... that's pretty heavy. My FOC is already pretty poor with Blazers at 15 grains... If FOC really made this much of a difference than the FOBS would be the worst "vane" on the market. They're not. And like the Blood Vane, the FOBS made some advancements in vane replacement and eased the burden of fletching. I thought about FOC when I got them. However, the new ones are lighter than the proto-types I first tried out. Both have shot fantastic! And from what I found, the extra 15+ or - grains made no difference in my arrow flight from when I was shooting Blazers. That being said, it was much less than 15 grains difference. But you got me thinking about some things. So I did some comparison.... 3 Blazer vanes- 19 grains 1 Blood Vane- 31 grains Difference of just 12 grains. Fletched Blazer shaft- 287 grains Fletched Blood Vane shaft- 296.4 grains Difference of 9.4 grains NOT 12 grains (this might be explained below AND factoring in glue). I then measured 6 bare shafts of the same length and nock. These are PSE Radial X weave Pro shafts and standard nocks. I found they were all within 4 grains of eachother. Just 4 grains. I then took 3 different nocks. The standard that come on the X-weave shafts, a Beiter nock and a Gold Tip nock. Beiter- 10.8 grains GT- 12.0 grains PSE nock- 11 grains Difference of up to 1.2 grains. So MORE THAN HALF of the 9.4 grain difference involved here is out of our control. Tolerances aren't tight enough in this world out of a vacuum. Is it better to get everything as close as possible? Sometimes... Because only sometimes does the benefits far out-weigh the "disadvantages". FOC is like paper tuning, IMO. It's a great reference but we are far inferior for it to make a difference with what the FAR majority of us are doing. Bullet holes are nice but they don't always equate into accuracy or efficiency. Your FOC will change from a 100gr fixed broadhead to a 100gr field point. Crazy, huh? Not by much but the hairs we'll split are relative if you catch my drift from the numbers above. The inconsistencies we have in hand torque, release vs fingers, wind drift, arrow spine, bow tuning, etc.. are all factors that positively or negatively affect FOC. If I sound argumentative, I apologize. Not my intentions. Just thought I'd share with you what I've come up with. Hey Tines, Thanks for the reply..you don't sound argumentative. My Blazer vanes weigh 4.6 grams each (x3). I do not use wraps. Easton X Nocks 8 grains. So the difference for my setup is pretty significant (I shoot Easton FMJ 340 shafts, 100 grain broad head). I use Archer's Advantage program and my FOC is on the very low side (use the program for sight tapes). I can tell a difference in arrow flight with lighted knocks (adding 10 more grains). However you asked a key point about advantages, I have no problems with my Blazers (use RipCord Rest so there is no vane contact) and other than shooting them off when I target shoot or miss the target and the arrow hits the ground. I fletch my own arrows with Arizona EZ Flecth with extreme helical. I can fletch a dozen in about 30 minutes. I have nothing against blood vanes, but as you said, I would have to see the advantages and in this case just do see them (and did not see it with the FOBs either). Redman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
