Minutemen to Patrol AZ border in April

[az4life]

How many of you have paid that person with the pick-up and trailer who comes through your neighborhood and offers to trim your palm trees? NOT GUILTY

 

How many of you have asked your contractor if he is hiring illegal aliens to do the job you hired him for? GUILTY- I had a pool put in a few years back and demanded the contractor send the illegal workers away.

 

How many of you have picked up a worker who is standing outside of home depot looking for work on Saturday morning? NOT GUILTY

 

Did you check on the girl who cleans your house or office? YES, SHE IS MY WIFE

 

If there was enough Border Patrol to pick-up illegals on the job, how many of you would call when the crew arrived at your house and you suspected them of being illegal?YES I WOULD

 

I have hired probably 100 people over in my jobs, and I was always required to fill out an I-9 form that requires proof of citizenship.

 

I also tried to have them picked up when they ran into my insured vehicle while driving their unisured car w/o a valid drivers license.

 

I also had an aquaintance who died in a traffic accident caused by a drunk driving illegal alien with no drivers license, no insurance but they owned their car, and had money in a US bank.

 

Its a sore spot for our country and especially those who live in border states. Fact is, legal immigrants generally agree, Illegal means illegal.

[COUESAZ]

A capture is a capture to me i do not care who is doing the catching. Why would a border patrole oficer have to leave a capture he has to go get the one from the minutemen. Finish what you are doing and then go get those ones after you are done. And then tell them thank you for your help. I do not want to start a fight with our members that are with the border patrol. I have plenty of life long friends that are on the job. You guys are way over burdand as it is right now. I do fill you all do your job to the best of the ability you have. And you need more people that are qualafide to do the job with you. BUt the job you are doing is not working very well because you are spread so thin. I say the minutemen are publicity and even if it is the bad kind atleast it is makeing people have to pay atention to the border issue.

 

I used to use a road in unit 34 the name is Post road in cochise county between benson and the wetstones. If i sat there at night I bet i could count atleast 100 borderpatrol trucks pass me on that road in one night. so the work is beeing done by you. It was not like that a few years ago. I just wonder what it would be like now if the minute men had been there to bring atention to the small issue then.

I back our border patrol 110% but i back the minutemen as well for getting out and trying to help out. And lets not forget that most of those men involved there have put there lives on the line for our country at some point and time. They are true patriots as well as the border agents are.

[bchoitz]

If there was enough Border Patrol to pick-up illegals on the job, how many of you would call when the crew arrived at your house and you suspected them of being illegal?

 

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Sorry for the technical error, that would be INS who should be picking them up. I did not mean to imply that the Border patrol had additional responsibilities they were not fulfilling.

 

Keep up the good work.

[Guest Ernesto C]

Has anybody seen any coues lately? or a mule deer? Any pictures of the beatifull wildlife we have here in Az?

 

Or anybody wants to talk about the most amazing shot you have ever made? Or if we want to argue about the rigth or wrong thing..........Lets talk about Jesus.

 

Ernesto C.

 

Is so simple to be wise,just think of something STUPID to say and then DONT say it

[AZP&Y]

THE ALTAR VALLEY JANUARY 2006

ERNESTO - THIS ONES FOR YOU BUDDY.

 

 

azP&y

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[eric]

At least there is some way for people to organize themselves who seek to volunteer and patrol the border. This is better then some of the vigilante stories i have seen on tv and heard other places. ONe such vigilante swore to kill any illegals he saw crossing the border. This guy had a 50 caliber gattling gun in the back of his pick up and was basically planning on useing the illegal immigrants for target practice. He's serveing 5 in prison for his last attempt at patrolling the border. I think he mouthed off in town at a bar before he was going out to patrol one day and somebody turned him in for conspiracy. I guess he tried to find some friends to help him reload his machine gun in case he found a whole mess at once. He's lucky he's locked up cause i don't think he would have survived long doing that. If i was trying to cross and i saw some dude drinking beer sitting in his pick up with a gattling gun i don't think i would miss a good opportunity to kill him. Plus this dude needed to sober up. At the same time i feel bad for him. Who knows what set him off like that. I think he was also a racial supremacist if i remember right or at least he was saying that after years of beers. I think he believed he would go down for what he was doing he just thought he was being a man of principals. I hope things get better for everyone in the United States and Mexico. If you run into smugglers out there, ive' heard the border patrol get's right on top of them if you call them with the GPS coordinates.

[tucsonbill]

How would we be treated if we were illegally in Mexico?

[Redman]

How would we be treated if we were illegally in Mexico?

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tucsonbill,

 

I read this today and thought of you. Double standard, I wonder why Mexico's illegal aliens don't protest or walk out of class....oh ....now I remember, they are SHOT TO DEATH.......

 

Mexico Harsh to Undocumented Migrants

 

By MARK STEVENSON

Associated Press Writer

 

 

TULTITLAN, Mexico (AP) -- Considered felons by the government, these migrants fear detention, rape and robbery. Police and soldiers hunt them down at railroads, bus stations and fleabag hotels. Sometimes they are deported; more often officers simply take their money.

 

While migrants in the United States have held huge demonstrations in recent weeks, the hundreds of thousands of undocumented Central Americans in Mexico suffer mostly in silence.

 

And though Mexico demands humane treatment for its citizens who migrate to the U.S., regardless of their legal status, Mexico provides few protections for migrants on its own soil. The issue simply isn't on the country's political agenda, perhaps because migrants make up only 0.5 percent of the population, or about 500,000 people - compared with 12 percent in the United States.

 

The level of brutality Central American migrants face in Mexico was apparent Monday, when police conducting a raid for undocumented migrants near a rail yard outside Mexico City shot to death a local man, apparently because his dark skin and work clothes made officers think he was a migrant.

 

Virginia Sanchez, who lives near the railroad tracks that carry Central Americans north to the U.S. border, said such shootings in Tultitlan are common.

 

"At night, you hear the gunshots, and it's the judiciales (state police) chasing the migrants," she said. "It's not fair to kill these people. It's not fair in the United States and it's not fair here."

 

Undocumented Central American migrants complain much more about how they are treated by Mexican officials than about authorities on the U.S. side of the border, where migrants may resent being caught but often praise the professionalism of the agents scouring the desert for their trail.

 

"If you're carrying any money, they take it from you - federal, state, local police, all of them," said Carlos Lopez, a 28-year-old farmhand from Guatemala crouching in a field near the tracks in Tultitlan, waiting to climb onto a northbound freight train.

 

Lopez said he had been shaken down repeatedly in 15 days of traveling through Mexico.

 

"The soldiers were there as soon as we crossed the river," he said. "They said, 'You can't cross ... unless you leave something for us.'"

 

Jose Ramos, 18, of El Salvador, said the extortion occurs at every stop in Mexico, until migrants are left penniless and begging for food.

 

"If you're on a bus, they pull you off and search your pockets and if you have any money, they keep it and say, 'Get out of here,'" Ramos said.

 

Maria Elena Gonzalez, who lives near the tracks, said female migrants often complain about abusive police.

 

"They force them to strip, supposedly to search them, but the purpose is to sexually abuse them," she said.

 

Others said they had seen migrants beaten to death by police, their bodies left near the railway tracks to make it look as if they had fallen from a train.

 

The Mexican government acknowledges that many federal, state and local officials are on the take from the people-smugglers who move hundreds of thousands of Central Americans north, and that migrants are particularly vulnerable to abuse by corrupt police.

 

The National Human Rights Commission, a government-funded agency, documented the abuses south of the U.S. border in a December report.

 

"One of the saddest national failings on immigration issues is the contradiction in demanding that the North respect migrants' rights, which we are not capable of guaranteeing in the South," commission president Jose Luis Soberanes said.

 

In the United States, mostly Mexican immigrants have staged rallies pressuring Congress to grant amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants rather than making them felons and deputizing police to deport them. The Mexican government has spoken out in support of the immigrants' cause.

 

While Interior Secretary Carlos Abascal said Monday that "Mexico is a country with a clear, defined and generous policy toward migrants," the nation of 105 million has legalized only 15,000 immigrants in the past five years, and many undocumented migrants who are detained are deported.

 

Although Mexico objects to U.S. authorities detaining Mexican immigrants, police and soldiers usually cause the most trouble for migrants in Mexico, even though they aren't technically authorized to enforce immigration laws.

 

And while Mexicans denounce the criminalization of their citizens living without papers in the United States, Mexican law classifies undocumented immigration as a felony punishable by up to two years in prison, although deportation is more common.

 

The number of undocumented migrants detained in Mexico almost doubled from 138,061 in 2002 to 240,269 last year. Forty-two percent were Guatemalan, 33 percent Honduran and most of the rest Salvadoran.

 

Like the United States, Mexico is becoming reliant on immigrant labor. Last year, then-director of Mexico's immigration agency, Magdalena Carral, said an increasing number of Central Americans were staying in Mexico, rather than just passing through on their way to the U.S.

 

She said sectors of the Mexican economy facing labor shortages often use undocumented workers because the legal process for work visas is inefficient.

 

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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MEX...-04-18-18-08-31

[az4life]

I saw the same article. I must say, I am skeptical of it's truthfulness. The article alleges many Mexican police and government officials as corrupt, and the author alleges that Mexico may be using double standards since some of them abuse and rob illegal migrants.

 

The way the Illegal Mexicans in the US and the mexican government officials complain about the fact that in the US, after they clear the border they are put to work, paid with money,they but pay no employment taxes and are ignored by the police and immigration, given free medical care and since they are "impoverished" they get state food assistance, plus tney get free schooling for their illegal children far better than in their own country. (Did you know that 1 in every 10 mexicans borni in mexico are today illegally living in the US)

 

See what I mean... I just cannot believe Mexico would be so uncivilizd and abusive to people in thier country illegally.

[bullwidgeon]

az4life = On the money!

 

Bret M.