HB 2072 Sale of big game tags

[Rag Horn]

Any successful "movement" these days has a Facebook page. Should we start a "stop hb 2072" page to help spread the word and make our voice heard past Coueswhitetail.com ? Just an idea.

[Ringer]

Any successful "movement" these days has a Facebook page. Should we start a "stop hb 2072" page to help spread the word and make our voice heard past Coueswhitetail.com ? Just an idea.

 

 

Anything will help. If it wasn't for this site I bet it would have been rammed through committee. They will hear from another few thousand hunters now that the word is being spread. I will fight Don Peay to my last breath. I still remember when he was supporting USO then said he wasn't. He said years ago that his greatest asset was his ability to work with politicians.

[CouesWhitetail]

Jeff Welker you are onto something. If every hunter could organize, at least in az, we would be very powerful. Might be hard due to the variance in opinions but variance in opinions is also what can make people/groups so strong.

 

nosajpo - You are absolutely correct; becoming an organized group with a united agenda would be daunting. You are also correct that the strong opinions (however varied) held by Arizona's outdoorsmen can ultimately be its strength. While I'm often disappointed when I see individuals post knee-jerk comments that do not help our cause, I am also equally encouraged that folks are so passionate about Arizona's outdoors. The ultimate challenge is organizing and focusing that wonderful passion unto a machine that carries the same force with AZGFD and the Legislature as the well funded organizations representing ranchers, landowners, and other special interests. Unfortunately, all the well intended groups such as ADBSS, AAF, ADA, AES, etc have separate agendas that do not address global issues of wildlife/land management in Arizona. We join these groups and good things get accomplished on a micro-level; however, the macro issues which impact us all go unaddressed. Frankly; until Arizona's hunters, fishers and outdoorsman can unite and fund an entity that will day-in-and-day-out keep tabs on AZGFD and the Legislature (I'm talking lobbyists and lawyers) we will continue to be frustrated. Messrs. Quimby is 100% correct when he says we need to take legal action to get the attention of the policy makers. While we may have a small victory from time to time (i.e. HB 2072 being placed on hold), they don't address the big picture and long-term change.

 

I've read many references in this post about bad things that happened in Utah. I was directly involved with one of those fights and it became painfully obvious that we were ultimately going to take it in the shorts and lose. We had all the passion on our side; however, the opposition was better organized and funded. Instead of debating whether we should pay more for tags or other game enhancement fees; how about we discuss donating the same money to the creation of an organization that will help shape policy, rather than complain about it? Getting HB 2072 delayed is a reactive victory. We need to be proactive in shaping legislation instead of being surprised by it.

 

Just one man's opinion.

 

 

This is exactly why AZSFW was formed....to provide an organization that looks are larger picture issues and proactively push legislation that address wildlife and hunter-related issues. AZSFW is a group which all the species-specific groups (ADA, AES, ADBSS, AAF, etc) are a member of. The point was to provide a unified voice from the varied species-specific groups.

 

AZSFW has been extremely effective in passing legislation....they are the ones who pushed forward the idea of a sportsmen's committee reviewing and selecting commissioner candidates to be presented to the governor.

 

Now obviously this issue is divisive and likely will not receive support from all the sportsmen's groups, but my point is that AZSFW was created as a group that would look to the larger issues of AZ and work in ways that individual species groups could not.

[bonuspointjohn]

I saw the message, but the house members still need to hear that hunters are pissed off, in case SFW trys to sneak this again. We need to KILL this bill permenantly, no negotiating! I hope the other conservation groups tell AZSFW to stick it where the sun dont shine.

Your comments have been noted. I would pose another question. Do you have any idea what the AZSFW has done for sportsmen in Arizona over the past 5 years? Do you have any idea How many good things that Rep Weiers has done for us? By the way, the AZSFWC is comprised of 18 different groups, all sportsmens groups that have a vested interest and are willing to donate time and energies to shaping policy. The AZSFWC is the oversight group that was proposed for handling the monies from the Expo. If you are telling us to stick it where the sun does not shine, then you are telling all the groups that message. Hatred and anger are simply fear turned outwards. I do not know you, you do not know me. Why not give a little faith that we are not trying to screw sportsmen?

[Jeff Welker]

This is exactly why AZSFW was formed....to provide an organization that looks are larger picture issues and proactively push legislation that address wildlife and hunter-related issues. AZSFW is a group which all the species-specific groups (ADA, AES, ADBSS, AAF, etc) are a member of. The point was to provide a unified voice from the varied species-specific groups.

 

AZSFW has been extremely effective in passing legislation....they are the ones who pushed forward the idea of a sportsmen's committee reviewing and selecting commissioner candidates to be presented to the governor.

 

Now obviously this issue is divisive and likely will not receive support from all the sportsmen's groups, but my point is that AZSFW was created as a group that would look to the larger issues of AZ and work in ways that individual species groups could not.

 

Thanks for informing me Amanda; I was not aware of AZSFW - that is a shame on me.

 

How do I become more informed about AZSFW and their work?

[elkaholic]

they are basically flooding the market with all these tags - the mule deer tag brought in over $200,000 at an ADA banquet one yr . the elk over 120.000 aes banquet -

what do you think the aes tag will be worth if --2 more auction govenors tags - plus auction legislator tags-- At least ten tags, and at least one tag for each hunt area, for bull elk in hunt areas

or the ada muledeer tag - if 2 more auction govenors tag and several more legislator tags-One tag for mule deer for each hunt area that offers a general season hunt and is located north of the Colorado river.

 

 

who's to say the same guy doesnt buy all of them !? we all know whos pretty much cornered the market on these type tags!

[CouesWhitetail]

This is exactly why AZSFW was formed....to provide an organization that looks are larger picture issues and proactively push legislation that address wildlife and hunter-related issues. AZSFW is a group which all the species-specific groups (ADA, AES, ADBSS, AAF, etc) are a member of. The point was to provide a unified voice from the varied species-specific groups.

 

AZSFW has been extremely effective in passing legislation....they are the ones who pushed forward the idea of a sportsmen's committee reviewing and selecting commissioner candidates to be presented to the governor.

 

Now obviously this issue is divisive and likely will not receive support from all the sportsmen's groups, but my point is that AZSFW was created as a group that would look to the larger issues of AZ and work in ways that individual species groups could not.

 

Thanks for informing me Amanda; I was not aware of AZSFW - that is a shame on me.

 

How do I become more informed about AZSFW and their work?

 

here is a link to their website:

http://arizonasportsmenforwildlife.org/

[JLW]

someone is trying to pull the wool over someone otherwise they wouldn't have tried the back door!

 

james

[Ringer]

I don't care what the SFW brags about doing to save Arizona wildlife. I volunteer and help when I can and the last time I checked SFW was not very popular with the average hunter in Utah. I remember when Peay came out for the USO suit then claimed he was against it when the heat started. Passing this bill will do more harm than good and I will do what I can to make sure SFW never gets expo or raffle tags in this state. Peay is messing with G&F in Utah and IMO the very things you people brag about are just setting the stage for SFW to get more control of our G&F management.

[CouesWhitetail]

they are basically flooding the market with all these tags - the mule deer tag brought in over $200,000 at an ADA banquet one yr . the elk over 120.000 aes banquet -

what do you think the aes tag will be worth if --2 more auction govenors tags - plus auction legislator tags-- At least ten tags, and at least one tag for each hunt area, for bull elk in hunt areas

or the ada muledeer tag - if 2 more auction govenors tag and several more legislator tags-One tag for mule deer for each hunt area that offers a general season hunt and is located north of the Colorado river.

 

 

who's to say the same guy doesnt buy all of them !? we all know whos pretty much cornered the market on these type tags!

 

 

I think these are some valid concerns. It seems to me that the current governor tags would have to decrease in value due to the increased supply of tags created by the new bill.

 

but re: some guy buying all of them....I believe that they still can only kill one elk per year, one deer per year, etc.....right?

[JLW]

they are basically flooding the market with all these tags - the mule deer tag brought in over $200,000 at an ADA banquet one yr . the elk over 120.000 aes banquet -

what do you think the aes tag will be worth if --2 more auction govenors tags - plus auction legislator tags-- At least ten tags, and at least one tag for each hunt area, for bull elk in hunt areas

or the ada muledeer tag - if 2 more auction govenors tag and several more legislator tags-One tag for mule deer for each hunt area that offers a general season hunt and is located north of the Colorado river.

 

 

who's to say the same guy doesnt buy all of them !? we all know whos pretty much cornered the market on these type tags!

 

 

 

I think these are some valid concerns. It seems to me that the current governor tags would have to decrease in value due to the increased supply of tags created by the new bill.

 

but re: some guy buying all of them....I believe that they still can only kill one elk per year, one deer per year, etc.....right?

yes

 

james

[DesertBull]

In the PDF that Amanda posted, it says the following -

 

All tags shall be exempt from the bag limit established by the commission except that the qualifying organization shall not issue more than one tag per species per year to an individual except for auction tags.

 

So, not only are the tags exempt for the annual bag limit, one guy can buy all of them. - Disturbing

 

Also disturbing is the fact that there is no mention that anyone associated with SFW; ie board member, employee, big money donor, etc, would be ineligible to win a raffle tag. Even the radio stations do that when they give away a frickin toaster or tickets to a Lady GAGA concert.

[CouesWhitetail]

In the PDF that Amanda posted, it says the following -

 

All tags shall be exempt from the bag limit established by the commission except that the qualifying organization shall not issue more than one tag per species per year to an individual except for auction tags.

 

So, not only are the tags exempt for the annual bag limit, one guy can buy all of them. - Disturbing

 

Also disturbing is the fact that there is no mention that anyone associated with SFW; ie board member, employee, big money donor, etc, would be ineligible to win a raffle tag. Even the radio stations do that when they give away a frickin toaster or tickets to a Lady GAGA concert.

 

 

Thanks DB........definitely something to point out and discuss.

 

from the PDF, with one more line than Desertbull posted:

 

All tags shall be exempt from the bag limit established from time to time by the commission

with the limitation that the qualifying organization shall not issue more than one permit or tag

per species per year to an individual except for auction permits or tags. Mule deer and

whitetail deer are treated as separate species.

[Non-Typical Solutions]

There are not many things that I read on a daily basis, but this site is one of them.

I would not have known anything about this were it not for this site, I appreciate the information that is brought up here.

Healthy discussion is important to try and resolve issues for sure.

 

One thing that always worries me is reading information that comes from one side or the other.

If you want to buy a Ford, talk to somebody that owns one but don't necessarily believe what Ford will tell you about their vehicle.

 

How credible is the information and what lies behind or what isn't being said.

 

Faith in anything politically motivated has disappeared from our society and rightfully so.

 

Money seems to rule and usually has a string attached of some sort.

[111]

HELLO!!

 

Did anyone see my post saying that the bill is NOT moving forward right now! Rep. Weiers has put it on hold because he is aware of the concerns sportsmen have.

 

So you do have time to review, gather info and make comments.

 

Here is my post again:

 

PLEASE NOTE: I JUST SPOKE WITH REP. Jerry Weiers ON THE PHONE AND HE WANTED ME TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT THE BILL IS ON HOLD NOW......IT IS NOT MOVING FORWARD AT THIS TIME. HE UNDERSTANDS THERE ARE A LOT OF CONCERNS AND IS INTERESTED IN GETTING FEEDBACK ABOUT THIS.

All the sportsmen's groups have been invited to meet with the AZSFW next week and we will bring the concerns of our respective membership to that meeting to get answers. So, in addition to contacting Rep. Weiers, I recommend that if you are a member of a sportsmen's group, such as the AZ Deer Association, the AZ Elk Society, AZ Antelope Foundation, etc, that you contact them and voice your opinion so that they may bring it to the meeting.

 

 

It's good to see it's not moving forward at this time! I can't believe they can try to push a bill like this through so quick without anybody being informed until the last moment. If there is an email someone can post on here to voice our opinions to someone who will listen I would greatly appreciate it!!