HB 2072 Sale of big game tags

[AZLance]

From some of the e-mails I got back from other representatives, they were surprised by the uproar over this legislation, as they had been told ALL sportsmen in AZ supported it. Thankfully, they recieved hundreds of emails against the bill and none as of today in favor of it.

 

Im not holding my breath on these financial records, but if they are anything like your dancing skills, they will be all over the place...

[bonuspointjohn]

The pain in my back from the knife Weiers has put there is still hurting... Weiers is not the only fish in the sea... and neither is AZSFW!

 

BonusPointJohn, any luck tracking down those finaincial records, or board member names yet? Or are you too busy working on your dance moves?

I am not a board member of the AZSFW, but I will be requesting that information at next Tuesday's meeting. The financial records would probably surprise even you Lance...That group has never taken a dime from sportsmen for all the work they have done in 5 years. they are NOT paid, they were required to pay enormous sums of money to get the AZSFW off the ground. I know that other than Capitol Consulting (our lobbyist)no one else takes any money. The board member names will be addressed shortly, but most were correct, except for Nick. Sorry, gotta run to my dance lessons...

 

 

Wonder why anyone would pay ENORMOUS sums of money to get the organization launched here? Anyone who has run a business and worked with the political side understands SFW is in it for one thing and that is to break the back of our AZ tag rules. So we need to support some lobbyist who is getting to politicians like Weiers so you can get the job done? Unbelievable and I will donate to whoever runs against Weiers in the primary.

Of course you can do anything you like. If you care to review our lobbyists record of bills as well as her accomplishments and Jerry's and still make the same decision then that is your call. The hunters who visit this website will all make up their minds, but I will continue to supports Jerry and hope for the best.

[bonuspointjohn]

From some of the e-mails I got back from other representatives, they were surprised by the uproar over this legislation, as they had been told ALL sportsmen in AZ supported it. Thankfully, they recieved hundreds of emails against the bill and none as of today in favor of it.

 

Im not holding my breath on these financial records, but if they are anything like your dancing skills, they will be all over the place...

I suppose that anything short of proving that they have all made millions of dollars off sportsmen and that they are all cradle robbing back stabbing carpetbaggers who have stolen all the beautiful women that were rightfully yours will not be believed....so why should they bother?.... just asking. I know, you think I am dancing again....

[bonuspointjohn]

Rep. Weiers is a strong supporter of sportsmens issues.....I think voting him out is a really bad idea. yes, this bill is not one of his best and is highly controversial, but he himself pulled it to get more input from sportsmen in order to craft the best bill possible. Now I can't answer as to why he didn't get the input to start with but really, let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

 

Please review his record and make a decision on his history of service. Have we become such knee-jerk reactionists that there is no room for working with someone who made a poor decision? Does everyone on the planet have to be perfect and if they make a mistake you just destroy them?

 

He is the one that sponsored the bill that got us a sportsmen based commission to review and recommend commission candidates to the governor. he has also worked on the wildlife conservation plate and other sportsmen issues. These are all huge positives.

 

It seems to me you are fighting the wrong enemy.

 

from his website:

Representative Jerry Weiers is a State Representative from Arizona representing Arizona’s finest District, district 12. He was first elected in 2004. He, along with his brother, Jim Weiers, became the first brothers in Arizona history to serve in the House of Representatives at the same time.

 

He is chairmen of the AZ House of Representatives Military Affairs and Public Safety Committee, as well as a member of the National Conference of State Legislatures Military Sustainability Taskforce. He also serves as a board member for the Phoenix Air National Guard Patriots (PANG Patriots).

 

Helping Veteran’s and military personnel has been a priority to him since first elected in 2004. Currently, he, is working on a project with Military and Law Enforcement Agencies to help Veterans reintegrate to society after returning from active duty tours. Another project he is working on is a Life Line system for Veterans providing them with contact information for organizations that specifically help them.

 

He is an avid outdoorsman and is the President of Arizona Legislators for Wildlife, and a Four year member of the National Assembly of Sportsmen’s Caucuses. He is also a life member of the Arizona Desert Bighorn Sheep Society, a life member of the Arizona Elk Society and a life member of the Arizona Antelope Foundation.

 

view more of his record:

http://www.azleg.gov/MembersPage.asp?Member_ID=58&Legislature=49&Session_ID=87

Come on Amanda, These guys don't want the facts and the truth. They have more fun ridding us of the guy who has supported our issues. After all, I may dance, but Lance walks on water....

[.270]

yeah we do want the facts and truth. the very things you keep ignoring in your posts. i know you think everyone is too stupid to know how much "good" you're gonna do us so there is no need tell us. we just wouldn't understand it anyway. being condescending ain't a real good way to win friends and influence people. and that's where you've stooped to now. and you sure haven't come up with a good reason to try to backdoor this deal. oh yeah, you were hiding it from treehuggers. i forgot. you already knew all the sportsmen and the azgfd would support it anyway. no need to even tell them until it's done and you have your tags. they are too stupid to understand how much "good" you are doing anyway. one thing that really has me wondering is why you never approached the azgfd about it? seems like they feel stabbed in the back too. turf is a real thing. it's quite apparant by the commission's comments that you invaded their turf by trying to do an end around through the backdoor of the capitol. and from reading what the vast majority of folks here seem to think, you stepped on their turf too. tried to take a buncha premium tags away from them and give them to folks that can afford anything. that is all this is about. just about anything you guys coulda done to raise money for conservation would have been met favorably. but you tried to take premium permits as your payment. i don't think it's gonna work. i sure hope it doesn't. one more time, why did you try the backdoor right off? why were you so clandestine and sneaky? why did you hide it from the those that would be most affected by this fiasco? sorta reminds me of the way weasels, snakes and skunks operate.

 

i don't know this weiers guy or much about him. but the reason we have elections on a regular basis and not too far apart is so when politicians support things that aren't popular with the voters they can be removed from office. and he needs to know in real plain terms that this ain't a real good thing to support and that maybe he oughta wash off the residue that is left by this bill and it's pushers. and if he wants to get re-elected he best listen to those voters.

Lark.

[Heat]

The pain in my back from the knife Weiers has put there is still hurting... Weiers is not the only fish in the sea... and neither is AZSFW!

 

BonusPointJohn, any luck tracking down those finaincial records, or board member names yet? Or are you too busy working on your dance moves?

I am not a board member of the AZSFW, but I will be requesting that information at next Tuesday's meeting. The financial records would probably surprise even you Lance...That group has never taken a dime from sportsmen for all the work they have done in 5 years. they are NOT paid, they were required to pay enormous sums of money to get the AZSFW off the ground. I know that other than Capitol Consulting (our lobbyist)no one else takes any money. The board member names will be addressed shortly, but most were correct, except for Nick. Sorry, gotta run to my dance lessons...

 

What about Trent? I could have sworn he resigned as well and moved to another state?

[CouesWhitetail]

you sure haven't come up with a good reason to try to backdoor this deal. oh yeah, you were hiding it from treehuggers. i forgot. you already knew all the sportsmen and the azgfd would support it anyway. no need to tell them until it's done and you have your tags. one thing that really has me wondering is why you never approached the azgfd about it? seems like they feel stabbed in the back too. turf is a real thing. it's quite apparant by the commission's comments that you invaded their turf by trying to do an end around through the backdoor of the capitol. and from reading what the vast majority of folks here seem to think, you stepped on their turf too. tried to take a buncha premium tags away from them and give them to folks that can afford anything. that is all this is about. just about anything you guys coulda done to raise money for conservation would have been met favorably. but you tried to take premium permits as your payment. i don't think it's gonna work. i sure hope it doesn't. one more time, why did you try the backdoor right off? why were you so clandestine and sneaky? why did you hide it from the those that would be most affected by this fiasco? sorta reminds me of the way weasels, snakes and skunks operate. Lark.

 

 

This is a huge problem with this bill....I completely agree with everyone on this. It has the appearance of being sneaked by. It didn't have the buy-in needed from sportsmen before trying to get passed. I find it offensive that AZSFW did not at the very least have all the sportsmen's groups review and comment on this prior to being sent to the legislature. I don't know the reasoning for all the big hurry with this and I don't know why Rep Weiers wouldn't see this might cause a problem with such a controversial bill.

[bonuspointjohn]

The pain in my back from the knife Weiers has put there is still hurting... Weiers is not the only fish in the sea... and neither is AZSFW!

 

BonusPointJohn, any luck tracking down those finaincial records, or board member names yet? Or are you too busy working on your dance moves?

I am not a board member of the AZSFW, but I will be requesting that information at next Tuesday's meeting. The financial records would probably surprise even you Lance...That group has never taken a dime from sportsmen for all the work they have done in 5 years. they are NOT paid, they were required to pay enormous sums of money to get the AZSFW off the ground. I know that other than Capitol Consulting (our lobbyist)no one else takes any money. The board member names will be addressed shortly, but most were correct, except for Nick. Sorry, gotta run to my dance lessons...

 

What about Trent? I could have sworn he resigned as well and moved to another state?

I think that is correct. He wa on the board but has taken a new position and is not involved...

[bonuspointjohn]

yeah we do want the facts and truth. the very things you keep ignoring in your posts. i know you think everyone is too stupid to know how much "good" you're gonna do us so there is no need tell us. we just wouldn't understand it anyway. being condescending ain't a real good way to win friends and influence people. and that's where you've stooped to now. and you sure haven't come up with a good reason to try to backdoor this deal. oh yeah, you were hiding it from treehuggers. i forgot. you already knew all the sportsmen and the azgfd would support it anyway. no need to even tell them until it's done and you have your tags. they are too stupid to understand how much "good" you are doing anyway. one thing that really has me wondering is why you never approached the azgfd about it? seems like they feel stabbed in the back too. turf is a real thing. it's quite apparant by the commission's comments that you invaded their turf by trying to do an end around through the backdoor of the capitol. and from reading what the vast majority of folks here seem to think, you stepped on their turf too. tried to take a buncha premium tags away from them and give them to folks that can afford anything. that is all this is about. just about anything you guys coulda done to raise money for conservation would have been met favorably. but you tried to take premium permits as your payment. i don't think it's gonna work. i sure hope it doesn't. one more time, why did you try the backdoor right off? why were you so clandestine and sneaky? why did you hide it from the those that would be most affected by this fiasco? sorta reminds me of the way weasels, snakes and skunks operate.

 

i don't know this weiers guy or much about him. but the reason we have elections on a regular basis and not too far apart is so when politicians support things that aren't popular with the voters they can be removed from office. and he needs to know in real plain terms that this ain't a real good thing to support and that maybe he oughta wash off the residue that is left by this bill and it's pushers. and if he wants to get re-elected he best listen to those voters.

Lark.

Ok Lark... one more time... I did not design the bill, I knew of the concept as it was stated, I did not drop the bill and I never saw it before January 5th. I have expressed multiple times that the conservation groups who attend the AZSFWC meetings were briefed as was I on the bill. I am not on the board of the AZSFW. I still support the concept of the bill 300 tags for raffle, 50 for auction. I realize that it was not presented to the community as a whole and I will not comment on that but take it to the people who did. I am simply trying to inform and sort out the fiction that some of you were creating. That fiction was 1) The outfitters and guides were in on this... False 2) That there is no emergency... I explained that by having that term applied, it simply meant that if the bill had been approved, it would not have to wait for 90 days after sine die before anyone could get moving on it. 3) That the conservation groups are making millions on it False... all the current money goes to the department and the host group pays all expenses for the privilege of auctioning the tag 4) That no one knew about the bill. False. There were a few commissioners who were briefed on the concept as was I. All the members of the AZSFWC were given the same information. 5) I am trying to respond and have been accused of being numerous things, yet when I interject a little humor I am condescending. I have not labeled anyone a snake, a crooked politician, slimy etc... I apologize if you thought I was being condescending. I was frustrated at the fact that even though I have answered to the best of my abilities, I keep getting the same questions. I will be passing on all the thoughts and attitudes on Tuesday, as will Amanda.

[Oak]

It is relatively easy to look up the tax returns for non-profits. Here are the 2010 returns for AZSFW and AZSFWC.

 

AZSFW 2010 Form 990

 

AZSFWC 2010 Form 990

[bonuspointjohn]

It is relatively easy to look up the tax returns for non-profits. Here are the 2010 returns for AZSFW and AZSFWC.

 

AZSFW 2010 Form 990

 

AZSFWC 2010 Form 990

Your thoughts?.....

[.270]

now i'm really cornfused. did you just dance around it again? if you don't know anything about it and aren't really involved then why are you packin' the water? this bill stinks and it's only goal is to take tags from the rank and file and give them to guys with a buncha money that can afford anything. you can say anything you want about all the other "good" it's supposed to do, but it is still real apparant to anybody other than you guys that it ain't good for anyone but you guys. that's what you need to take back to whoever is giving you your talking points and marching orders. why don't you have one of these guys you keep refering too to tell us why they backdoored it? you didn't even tell the azgfd. i would think they would want too know right off. seeing as how it is getting directly into their business in a big way. you tried to get involved in basically everything they do, without telling them, and then get a buncha primo tags for your rich buddies. i don't understand why you guys can't understand that? if you want to do something good, do it. but don't rip everyone else off in the process. sheesh. Lark.

[elkaholic]

looks like susans money doubled in 2010 - 61,173 out of 83,000 approx but then there was a 35,000 loan in 09 so it was 33,500

 

unless i'm reading it wrong - just a glance thru!(edit -- ok told u i glanced 61+33 = 94 appox my bad )

 

ok on the 09 the banquet netted 118,000

 

after expenses and a charitable contribution - nothing named - they grossed 9,000

 

impressive! yes one can really see where all the $$$ are going

[stanley]

looks like susans money doubled in 2010 - 61,173 out of 83,000 approx but then there was a 35,000 loan in 09 so it was 33,500

 

 

Thanks for posting the links Oak. Very interesting information. elkaholic, there are actually two returns for two different entities. Both for 2009. I'm no expert, but I can read..... Looks like Suzanne got more like $94,000.

 

Again, thanks for posting the public info, Oak.

 

Craziest thread on cw.com in a LONG time!

 

S.

[.270]

thank you oak. man if this don't bust the barrel i don't know what will. just reading a couple of the names of the board members says more to me than anything. and then this unnamed consulting firm that bpj has been talking about, but not naming, happens to belong to a board members wife? and they have the nerve to say nobody on the board is making any money off the deal? don't eat that gramma, that is bull$h!t. somebody on the "board" made a buncha money off this fine outfit the last couple last years, don't matter how you wanna justify it. and the board member who dang sure made money offa this outfit useta be a commissioner? this is gettting better all the time. remember what i said about lies, d a m n lies and statistics? the statistics are jumpin' right out there to bite somebody on the butt. this is too good. take a look at the names on the list and then think a little about where some of the gov tags have went to the past few years. this thing has more tenticles than a tumor. and it smells real bad. i mean 5 day old dead hog in the sun in the summer time stink. Lark.