G&F Deer survey coming out soon

[kwp]

As far as the Javelina hunt being in the fall I just think that there would be way too many people hunting at one time. The october and november whitetail hunts are already overcrowded. On my october 33 hunt this last fall my bro and I set up a spike camp 3-4 miles in and then hiked another 2 miles every morning and we still saw quite a few hunters and I had a good opportunity at a great buck ruined by two other hunters who never even saw the buck.

 

I think with the increased number of people that would be hunting, safety would also be much more of a concern.

 

If I got drawn for a whitetail tag, no I wouldn't want to "share" the forest/desert with javelina hunters. But also if I got a fall javelina tag, I wouldn't want to "share" the forest/desert with 1000 other deer hunters.

[BigMoqui]

Good point kwp about the increased pressure and safety issues, again I'm just curious what everyone's thinking is. As far as fall hunting having an impact on javelina herds from what I've read they breed year round in Az as weather and conditions permit. If anyone has any literature or knowledge otherwise please share. The reduction of overall herd size, is, in my opinion a good idea. Az has never had so many collared peccary than it does now. I see them above the Rim more and more and historically they were never present there.

[kwp]

I had always heard the same as you Bigmoqui, that javelina don't have a specific breeding season like deer or elk but I am no expert. I definitely agree that the javi numbers are too high and that there is no need for them above the rim.

[Tines]

Those that want to hunt Javelina, can. And have a productive and successful hunt if they want to at that. If they were edible maybe I'd care a little more about providing more hunting opportunities for them. Until they offer 2 tags a year for those who actually want to hunt them, I can't see them reducing the population. Because they breed year 'round (Although they say the "peak" is during the winter months), I can't see us taking a hold of the population. What does it hurt if they're moving further north? It would only provide more hunting opportunities for Northern AZ hunters during January.

[DesertBull]

"If it were edible....."

 

 

Javelina is very edible.

 

Me and my family have been eating Javelina at once a week.

[Red Rabbit]

Let all your deer hunting friends know that this survey is important. G&F wants to hear from individual hunters, and not just the spokesmen from sportsmen's groups. Look what the numbers of hunters taking the archery elk survey did!

E-mail the link to all your friends. Not everyone visits these forums. I was surprised at bowhunters who did not know of the earlier proposed changes to archery elk.

 

RR

[Coues 'n' Sheep]

"If it were edible....."

 

 

Javelina is very edible.

 

Me and my family have been eating Javelina at once a week.

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Yeah..... the way to do it is a deep pit. Cook them all day... take the pig out, throw it away..... and eat the PIT!!!!

 

They do make good "slim jims" though.....

[Guest Ernesto C]

Javalinas can breed year round, December,January or February;almost like rabbits.

 

Javalina is one of the best meats you can eat,along with coues meat and elk,buffalo and caribou.

 

Ernesto C

 

Aim for the vitals

[KGAINES]

The only problem I have with the fall hunt for javelina is the overlap, no I don't want to compete with other hunters, especially if I have a four day rifle hunt for coues.

[25-06]

The only problem I have with the fall hunt for javelina is the overlap, no I don't want to compete with other hunters, especially if I have a four day rifle hunt for coues.

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Yup........4 day Oct. coues hunt goin on while a javi hunt is on Not Cool Should'nt even be up for debate

[Coues 'n' Sheep]

I took it.

[DesertBull]

232 people have taken the survey so far and appx 92% say they do NOT support changing the hunt structure to allow more tags.

 

 

 

Almost 25% say they want to shorten the archery season. Probably ALL rifle only hunters.

 

[CouesWhitetail]

Yes, it is really surprising to me how many people are voting to shorten the Dec archery AND rifle seasons. I didn't expect so many. I expected everyone would vote no on that, but it's not running 90% no like the other choices. Not sure what is going on there.

 

 

Amanda

[lfootmatt]

Got my vote in.

 

It seems to me to be completely insane to reduce hunter success without first trying to improve the deer populations.

 

Yea, like, let's make Coues deer hunting harder, YEA! YEA!YEA!(just keep repeating that over and over with a good Bevis and Butthead impersonation). Because G&F's idea to make Coues hunting harder sounds like Bevis and Butthead came up with it.

 

I got really lucky with a 36b December tag, and it was still really dang hard to get a deer. Yea, increase my opportunity to go out and have to work even harder!? That rational is about as clear as mud. Please G&F don't do me any more favors if that is what you have in mind.

 

My $0.02

 

Matt

 

Yes, it is really surprising to me how many people are voting to shorten the Dec archery AND rifle seasons.  I didn't expect so many.  I expected everyone would vote no on that, but it's not running 90% no like the other choices.  Not sure what is going on there.

 

 

Amanda

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[audsley]

Regarding javelina breeding seasons, the reason we currently hunt them in the winter is because young born December - February have the lowest survival rates anyway. If you hunt javelinas in September or November like the Commission is proposing, you risk orphaning more pigs than if they were hunted in mid-winter.

 

I believe the marketing department has taken over at Game & Fish.