EBB Report post Posted August 26, 2011 I just read this article about Gibson Guitars being raided by the Feds. Down near the bottom the article goes into Classic Guitars and a story about a man with some pianos. Extrapolating that information and thought process I figured the article should be posted here. How many here have custom or vintage rifles with Brazillian Rosewood end caps on their stocks? EBB http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904787404576530520471223268.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4Falls Report post Posted August 26, 2011 So this is USF&S jurisdiction? If these are Lacey violations then you cant even travel to and from a reservation in the state with you vintage instruments. And how would they know the source of the ivory on my guitar? what if its elk ivory? Is it legal to travel interstate with elk ivory? 14 trillion in debt and we wonder why. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBB Report post Posted August 26, 2011 Yep, they're way out of control. And it's the citizens that are supposed to have control NOT the Government. The Constitution is a restrictive document for the Federal Government, not for us. My concern is for folks who might take a rifle out of the country only to have it confiscated because the fore end on the stock is an "endangered" wood that was installed 40 years ago. How are we to get proof that the wood was legal when it was installed? That's not even remotely possible. "If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." James Madison What if the enemy is us? EBB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.270 Report post Posted August 27, 2011 seems like there are lot more important things to worry about instead of spending a buncha money and time on trivial $h!t like this. gonna have another ruby ridge at a guitar factory? i have several old rifles with custom stocks that have grip and forepiece caps that i don't know what they are made of. i might get busted next time i go to new mex or colorado. have a friend who has an old sako in 17/222 and the entire stock is rosewood. he might get the chair for that. Lark. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ace High Benny Report post Posted August 31, 2011 I am a classical guitar aficionado and have 3 of those; all by reputable foreign luthiers. One of them is Brazilian Rosewood. It is absolutely correct that the endangered woods may not be used for any type of craft unless they have a certificate called CITES. This is valid for every type of use and not guitars only. Further, it is advised that one carried this CITES when travelling especially if the instrument is made after 2004. I find it, however, absurd that the authorities will take any finished product away from an individual. At the production level, however, it is necessary for the manufacturer to provide the buyer with the CITES these days and THEY should be raided if they don't. AHB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billrquimby Report post Posted September 1, 2011 AHB: Thought you would like to know: CITES is the acronym for the Convention on International Trade of Endangered Species of Wild Flora and Fauna. It is a treaty and not a document. Although CITES sets quotas and restrictions on the taking of species internationally, it usually does not issue permits per se. These usually are issued by the conservation authority of the country from which a species is taken. Hunters who travel to Africa, for example, must obtain export permits for certain species (such as elephant, lion, leopard, bontebok, etc.) from the wildlife department of the country they hunted, as well as import permits from the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service. Although a CITES export permit for certain species may be issued by a country (such as a cheetah trophy from Namibia), the USFWS will not allow it to be imported. Bill Quimby Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ace High Benny Report post Posted September 1, 2011 Correct, thank you! It is indeed a document issued pursuant to the treaty. Spanish government certified that the Brazilian Rosewood used on my guitar was obtained through legal channels. AHB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites