GRONG Report post Posted January 11, 2006 Hey PT send me the picture and I'll get it downsized for you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billrquimby Report post Posted January 11, 2006 Here are some weights of bears I copied from the SCI record book's text: Polar bear: 850-1,000 pounds Alaska (Kodiak) brown bear: 800-1,000 pounds Common grizzly bear: 500-750 pounds Barren ground grizzly bear: 500-750 pounds American black bear: 200-300 pounds "occasionally much more". The last grizzly bear in Arizona was killed in 1935 (one year before I was born) on Escudilla Peak in the White Mountains. BillQ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billrquimby Report post Posted January 11, 2006 The African lion that appears with my posts was as big as they come, and may have weighed more than 500 pounds although we will never know. There were no scales within 100 miles of where we were in Zambia so we couldn't weigh it. We did measure it from tip of nose to tip of tail, though. It was 11 feet, 1 inch, or about a foot longer than most adult African lions. It took six of us to get it into the Land Cruiser. It was like trying to bodily pick up a big cow elk with a short, thick neck and legs. Its mount is in the SCI museum's McElroy Room in Tucson. It is 42 inches high at the shoulder. Incidently, Just before my lion walked up I watched a lioness stand on its rear legs and with seemingly no effort at all rip off the backstrip of a zebra I'd killed for bait. I couldn't belive how high the PH had hung that zebra. I'm 6-4, and could barely touch its back while on my tippy toes. At any rate a 10-foot mountain lion certainly would be a whopper. It must be the record for the species. BQ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
azpackhorse Report post Posted January 11, 2006 Those are some nice lions Josh, we saw 3 lions this last December while helping on late Coues hunts. I plan on going back in there after the archers leave and before gun Javelina starts and try to get one. I have never taken a lion but I do an aweful lot of varmit calling, is there any particular call that they will respond to the best? or is it better to jusy try to glass them up? Two of the lions were together on the same hillside, both of them were adults also. There is also a big Bobcat we seen in the same area, he was being harrassed by a Coues doe with twin fawns, she stayed on him until he was way away from the fawns. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.270 Report post Posted January 11, 2006 hey josh, i know zakly what you're sayin'. most lions won't top 100 lbs. but occasionally one does get big. the guy i was with when we got the 220 pounder has caught somewhere between 400-500 lions over the years. he figured that one cat was probably at least 40 pounds heavier than anything else he'd ever caught. we were over 20 miles from any road, deep in the gila wilderness. big cat country. and it was a wierd built cat too. thick like a jag. huge legs. the one my boy and me got was also deep in wild country. and he was a thumper. i'd loved to have taken him several years earlier, when he was in his prime. he'd have been well over 200. i have some photos of him. i'll see if i can scan one an show it to you. i always carry a 10', 1/4" tape with me. he was exactly 9' before i skint him. we carried out all but the guts and we had right at 150 lbs. as far as the stuff my granddad and his brother shot, take it however you want. those 2 were probably the best fur trappers there ever was. might have guys as good, but noone was better. and when they shot the big lion and the really big grizzly (the took several of them when younger) it was 1912 and the country they were in is still wild. both the big lion and the griz had a heck of a story with them. they skinned both and packed the hides out. the lion for the bounty, all they needed was the ears, but it was so big they wanted to keep it awhile anyway. someone bought the griz hide. there is a sonoran in the smithsonian that Ben Lilly killed in willow creek, north of hanagan, in the teens that is estimated at 900-1000 lbs. i was able to pack out an 8'3" tom whole that weighed 183 pounds. sometimes cats are able to get big. but most don't ever see 150. i see em in magazines all the time where they say they're 160 pound and such, and they don't look like they'll weigh 100. but i've seen a few that were real big. i remember one that this ol' guy in safford killed in the 70's that was real close to 200 lbs. i helped a taxidermist friend skin it. it was a real monster cat for sure. there was even photos in the paper, so it musta been big. and believe me, i ain't tryin' to belittle the cat you guys caught. he just looks shriveled up and i'd never seen a cat that old that looked so small. later, Lark. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muley Report post Posted January 11, 2006 Josh, I will send you that picture and the coues, for some reason nothing will fit on this website. I have to send it from home though, I don't have it here. Thxs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRONG Report post Posted January 12, 2006 I hear ya Lark, I know some animals get really big, it's kinda like shooting a 130" Coues buck. They don't come around often. I didn't mean to imply that lions can't get that big it's just kinda rare. Boy I'd love to see some of those old pics if you got em. Send em on over PT and I'll get them fixed for you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
