Any mention of Curtis Jackson Prock ?

[billrquimby]

interesting article. i didn't know he got hammered twice. according to the article he is 96 now? i think i know who the guy in the other story is. funny story too. that guy died a couple years ago. i wonder how they got all them jags across the border? there was another high profile jag case a few years ago involving one of the klumps from bowie and some taxidermist. but i was told that after the initial bust it never went anywhere. it had undercover fbi guys, bighorn sheep killin' with no permits, jags, ocelots, margays, lacey act stuff, state lines and everthing too. Lark.

 

The Klump jaguar story reportedly began with a wild jaguar that he was supposed to have killed while hunting mountain lions in the Dos Cabezas, I think it was. A taxidermist in Tucson apparently illegally mounted it for him, along with an ocelot that Klump had killed or acquired somewhere out of the country. There could have been a marguay, too, but I don’t remember hearing about it.

 

There were rumors about a dead jaguar being brought to Tucson in the back of an open pickup truck and shown to several people. At any rate, word about the cat eventually got to someone at Game and Fish, who got a search warrant and searched Klump’s place but could not find the cat.

 

So AZGFD got two undercover guys on loan from the Colorado Division of Wildlife, one of them of Asian descent. They hired Klump and one of his friends for a bear hunt and then told him they wanted to buy bear gall bladders, which they eventually did. Over the next year or so, the agents killed a javelina, bear and a desert sheep ... all out of season and without permits ...with Klump and his friend so they could get “close” to them.

 

The agents eventually got Klump to agree to sell his jaguar and ocelot mounts to them. To bring in the feds, the money and mounts were scheduled to be swapped at a motel across the border in New Mexico, and that's where Klump and his friend were busted. Arizona’s jaguars were not federally protected at the time, because there weren’t supposed to be any here, so they needed to get their suspects to cross a state border to charge them with a Lacey Act violation.

 

When they went to count, the judge was angry about all the critters the agents had killed, especially the bighorn, and compared them to out-of-control undercover DEA guys killing people to get inside the mafia. I had thought he dismissed the case because of this, but a year or so ago one of the game department guys who had been involved in the case said Klump and his buddy were indeed found guilty. I don't know what the penalty was or what the charge was.

 

Bill Quimby

[desertdog]

interesting article. i didn't know he got hammered twice. according to the article he is 96 now? i think i know who the guy in the other story is. funny story too. that guy died a couple years ago. i wonder how they got all them jags across the border? there was another high profile jag case a few years ago involving one of the klumps from bowie and some taxidermist. but i was told that after the initial bust it never went anywhere. it had undercover fbi guys, bighorn sheep killin' with no permits, jags, ocelots, margays, lacey act stuff, state lines and everthing too. Lark.

 

The Klump jaguar story reportedly began with a wild jaguar that he was supposed to have killed while hunting mountain lions in the Dos Cabezas, I think it was. A taxidermist in Tucson apparently illegally mounted it for him, along with an ocelot that Klump had killed or acquired somewhere out of the country. There could have been a marguay, too, but I don’t remember hearing about it.

 

There were rumors about a dead jaguar being brought to Tucson in the back of an open pickup truck and shown to several people. At any rate, word about the cat eventually got to someone at Game and Fish, who got a search warrant and searched Klump’s place but could not find the cat.

 

So AZGFD got two undercover guys on loan from the Colorado Division of Wildlife, one of them of Asian descent. They hired Klump and one of his friends for a bear hunt and then told him they wanted to buy bear gall bladders, which they eventually did. Over the next year or so, the agents killed a javelina, bear and a desert sheep ... all out of season and without permits ...with Klump and his friend so they could get “close” to them.

 

The agents eventually got Klump to agree to sell his jaguar and ocelot mounts to them. To bring in the feds, the money and mounts were scheduled to be swapped at a motel across the border in New Mexico, and that's where Klump and his friend were busted. Arizona’s jaguars were not federally protected at the time, because there weren’t supposed to be any here, so they needed to get their suspects to cross a state border to charge them with a Lacey Act violation.

 

When they went to count, the judge was angry about all the critters the agents had killed, especially the bighorn, and compared them to out-of-control undercover DEA guys killing people to get inside the mafia. I had thought he dismissed the case because of this, but a year or so ago one of the game department guys who had been involved in the case said Klump and his buddy were indeed found guilty. I don't know what the penalty was or what the charge was.

 

Bill Quimby

 

Thanks for the story Bill, that was a very interesting read. Lots of questionable acts going on there by both the Klumps AND the law enforcement IMO.

[.270]

that was the story i heard pretty much. seemed like there were multiple jags tho. a mounted one and a hide. it's been a long time since i even heard anything about it, but it seemed i was told that they were fined a fair amount, but they never paid it. seems like they did lose some stuff like a pickup and a trailer too. a guy told me the same 2 guys have a ranch in new mex now and are up to shenanagins there now. i have the wrong kinda memory. i remember stuff, but not all of it. or just the good parts. the klumps are legendary as far as ignoring the law or thinking it pertains to them.

[billrquimby]

that was the story i heard pretty much. seemed like there were multiple jags tho. a mounted one and a hide. it's been a long time since i even heard anything about it, but it seemed i was told that they were fined a fair amount, but they never paid it. seems like they did lose some stuff like a pickup and a trailer too. a guy told me the same 2 guys have a ranch in new mex now and are up to shenanagins there now. i have the wrong kinda memory. i remember stuff, but not all of it. or just the good parts. the klumps are legendary as far as ignoring the law or thinking it pertains to them.

 

Don't know about the ranch in New Mexico, but the "other guy" whose name I won't mention still had his ranch outside Willcox last year. I suppose he still does. I used to hunt mule deer on the place until it was posted about 15 years or more ago.

 

You are right about that first family. The letter its patriarch sent to the BLM, State Land Department and Forest Service about the family owning "from the center of the earth to high in the heavens" all the land they were leasing from the government led to the only seizure I've ever heard of for grazing more cows than allotted on public land in Arizona. It didn't help that they earlier had erected a barbed wire fence right across a paved state road. I knew a couple of the guys who rounded up the trespassing cattle and they claimed they kept looking over their shoulders, expecting a gunbattle to break out at any second. There were law enforcement guys from every imaginable state and federal agency involved, and they all went in armed to the teeth.

 

Bill Quimby

[COUESAZ]

You are right on about the klump story. He probably got off the hook because he was so dang mean and for the saftey of the jailers they just let him go home to pester and shoot at regular law abiding hunters that hapen to end up on clump ranch land. I thought i heard Old man klump left this world last year. And left it to one of his loose canon sons. Why would they do that when they have plenty of lions to hunt on their land.