hawkeye Report post Posted December 15, 2010 The tree huggers of the AZGFD don't even realize they are working themselves out of a job. They just can't quit waisting the money we supply them. When there is no more game to hunt, where do they think their money will come from. They are still releasing wolves in eastern Arizona. Another is schedules for release in the next few weeks. I never thought our own Arizona Game and Fish Dept. would work so hard against the hand that feeds it. The deer and elk in eastern arizona will never recover and it is just a matter of time before permits are reduced to a very small amount. I guess they figure we are so dumb, that they can still make it on the application fees. They are probably right. They will probably increase the application fee to 30 or 40 dollars and we sill still keep applying for the few permits available. The deer and elk cannot survive the triple threat. People, lions, and wolves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dusty Report post Posted December 15, 2010 I guess they figure we are so dumb.You got that right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.270 Report post Posted December 15, 2010 last week on the b&c tv hunting show the whole show was about predator introduction, mainly wolves. real enlightening. it's all about the money. all it is about is attorneys making money. if a conservation organization gets involved in a lawsuit with the gov't, they have to pay all their fees. if an anti hunting organization gets in a lawsuit, with the gov't, when they are done, win or lose, all their legal fees are reimbursed, by the gov't they just sued. it's a win, win, win, win, win, for the lawyers. the recovery of the so called endangered species has nothing to do with anything other than i they are the vehicle the lawyers drive to the bank. this whole system is really $h!t and anyone who is in favor of it really needs to research things and take a really truthfull look at themselves and what they are supporting. anyone in favor of any of this wolf stuff really has a problem with reality and is seriously deficient in a lotta ways. Lark. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blade53 Report post Posted December 15, 2010 YEAH...what Lark said..agree 100% Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hawkeye Report post Posted December 15, 2010 I saw the show and it really drove home the problem. I get AZGFD e-mail, and I got one yesterday touting how happy they were to release this wolf into the wild. I have been reading how the AZGFD was in favor of de-listing the wolf and then the next day I read how happy they are to be releasing more wolves. It makes me sick to see what Arizona has become. Nothing but a political cr#p hole. I don't know the whole situation but I would bet that the other western state game and fish dept. aren't tying to cooperate with the Feds. In the E-mail I recieved they were proud to be helping the usfw ruin our hunting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeardownAZ Report post Posted December 15, 2010 Yeah, it has to be money cause it makes no sense whatsoever for them to be doing what they are doing with this wolf program. USFW does not suprise me but the AZ Game and Fish?? What joke ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.270 Report post Posted December 16, 2010 $$$. Lark. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
travist1 Report post Posted December 16, 2010 the problem is the AZGFD is all College graduates of programs that generally appeal to Hippies, Treehuggers, and people who believe they are "conservationists" not true conservationists but ones with no true bearing to go out and help wild life the way good hunters or sportsmen do Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.270 Report post Posted December 16, 2010 there ain't anything wrong with being a college graduate, unless it's u of a, anyway. the problem is all the money that folks are making off this. take the money out of the equation, and this all goes away. lobbyist money greases the politicians palms that pass the laws. lobbyists money comes from folks who stand to make a lot more money by throwing around the lobby money. and now we know that all the money that the anti's toss around and spend on litigation is all refunded to them, whether they win or lose. laywers are basically leaches. the money is the prize. if it doesn't matter how much you spend, you're going to get it all back plus your "expenses", what is there to keep a lawyer from doing this? they can't lose. they can't even break even. they just make money. the azgfd has a lotta good folks that work for it. but unfortunatley, under shroufe, the organization sold out and became an accounting firm. wildlife conservation isn't even 2nd place to them anymore. it is about money to fund them. they are involved in this because of all the money they recieve from the usfw to help them out. i would guess that the only true brains involved in this wolf program are azgfd employees. not to say that all the azgfd folks involved have any brains, but if there are any, that's where they work. the usfw has proven time and time again that they don't have any smarts at all. they are idiots. it's a requirement. they have to be able to look at things that are wrong and things that are lies, knowing full well they are wrong and lies, but still agree with them. one you sell out, that's it. i would imagine, if you think about it, you've been around people that will sell out their principles for a little money or recognition. guys that will continue to pursue something they know is wrong, just because it has become their cause and they don't want to admit they are wrong. i know i have. once things become a cause or an agenda, then all objective views are gone and all you have are folks that will agree with lies. from the honcho down to the lackeys. that's where we are now in this wolf stuff. the guys in charge of it are about lies and money. we have to stop the money somehow. Lark. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
travist1 Report post Posted December 16, 2010 i never said there is anything wrong with being a college grad... and yes you are right there is a community that i know of that has a water company and fire department that have people in charge that turned it from a public service into a way that they can stuff cash in their pockets at the expense of tax payers and the community that they are supposed to be serving. But all they do is glad hand the public and sell them selves to keep their office or position then bend them over for their wallet Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hawkeye Report post Posted December 16, 2010 i never said there is anything wrong with being a college grad... and yes you are right there is a community that i know of that has a water company and fire department that have people in charge that turned it from a public service into a way that they can stuff cash in their pockets at the expense of tax payers and the community that they are supposed to be serving. But all they do is glad hand the public and sell them selves to keep their office or position then bend them over for their wallet Sounds like Gila County Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
