24a november hunt 3 for 3! All tagged out

[BowNut]

Dude! You made your point! Quit flapping your gums and move on! We all see how GREAT you are now and what an "A" hole he is for taking his kids hunting. MOVE ON!!!!!!

 

[arizonaelitefreak]

I will also say it again and again do not post if you are going to post about wounding and maiming deer by shooting beyond your ability to cleanly take the animal you pursue. I hate reading this crap and do not appreciate this type of talk on the forums. Thank you for promoting ethical hunting and mentoring our youth.

 

Fixed it for ya, Clay.

 

Yeah you fixed it! That's why you keep posting negative sh?! In this post! You've already ruined the great post of my kids first kill and first hunt! Thanks you a#@ hole! Sorry I'm not an expert marksman like you mr. F-in perfect! Thanks! Its people like you on this forum that make good people not want to visit this site anymore !

 

[willhunt4coues]

I will also say it again and again do not post if you are going to post about wounding and maiming deer by shooting beyond your ability to cleanly take the animal you pursue. I hate reading this crap and do not appreciate this type of talk on the forums. Thank you for promoting ethical hunting and mentoring our youth.

 

Fixed it for ya, Clay.

 

Don't be taking stuff I write and putting words I did not say into it. You sure are making a bad name for yourself.

[willhunt4coues]

Medium Range Shooting

 

Here you go. Been up for several months with my boyfriend... post up your experience, hits, and misses.

 

Drilled my boyfriend, BTW, he called me a few days ago... and how else would I know the guy was gay untill I told him I was? I guess I should have posted up a "porno of us" so I could get some kudos... quit messing with chicks when I was 17, BTW.

 

This thread soured with MY first post.

 

[firstcoueswas80]

So, at 1000 yards your spotter can guarantee exactly WHERE the bullet hit? Thats a good spotter. I need to get one of them.

 

So, the lion hunters found the dead lion? Or killed him wounded? Not knowing your bullet, and what it is going to do at 1000 yards... I would call that unethical, what would you call it?

 

Pretty easy to call shots when you can see trace in a spotter on a tripod... you should try it. Shot was confirmed after the lion was recovered.

 

An "acquaintance" was called with his dogs once I lost the blood in the rain, after tracking just over 100 yards on my hands and knees, which took over an hour. Guy with dogs and a client found, "shot", and tagged the lion. Impact velocity was just over 1500 fps... I called in someone else to find and tag my lion when I realized I had screwed up.... and I did screw up. AMAX or VLD would have been the ticket.

 

 

I have used a spotter several times and at much closer distances and I can tell you, they're not always perfect. For example, this last hunt my spotter told me the deer I shot (672 yards) was dead deer walking, that I had hit right behinnd the front shoulder and the bullet exited low on the chest from the other side. It was a 1/4ing away shot. Well, we get over there and no blood no hair no dog. Clean miss, just under him.

 

I would be willing to bet a paycheck or two that your spotter can not precisely call ten out of ten shots at 1,000 or even better yet 977 yards.

 

Again, with the impact velocity that low using a Barnes TSX (btw, my bullet of choice is the TTSX which I just found out my meat processor recovered it from my deer) it is your responsililty to know if your bullet is capable of opening up. Any Barnes follower will tell you that 1500 fps impact velocity is NOT enough to get the bullet to open up.

 

So remind me, how does that put your ethics above theirs? Especially when that lion suffered over night and then was basically put out of its misery, AND tagged by someone else? Please school me on how your antics are better than theirs, all mighty one.

[MattMan]

How about the hunter posts up his rifle, scope, load, and method of holding over for the 520 yard shot?

 

Here or in the other thread I linked will be fine.

 

 

Still waiting for the info...

 

 

[MattMan]

So remind me, how does that put your ethics above theirs? Especially when that lion suffered over night and then was basically put out of its misery, AND tagged by someone else? Please school me on how your antics are better than theirs, all mighty one.

 

The recognition of error, and pursuit of an avenue to correct it would be a start... maybe even recognizing that the conditions present when an animal is visible are beyond control, but the decision to pull the trigger is not.

 

Barnes was good to me for a long time. Shot EVERY animal harvested for nearly 10 years. Even have a half dozen or so recovered slugs to show for it. Kinda moved back to something that provides some fragmentation in addition to acceptable penetration.

 

[firstcoueswas80]

Ok.... still looking for the ethical reasoning behind taking a shot at 1000 yards with a bullet that is DEFINATELY not made, designed, or intended for that situation...

 

 

And I have recovered 3 TTSX this year... One from a Red Hartabeeste, Black Springbok, and this Coues deer.

[MattMan]

Ok.... still looking for the ethical reasoning behind taking a shot at 1000 yards with a bullet that is DEFINATELY not made, designed, or intended for that situation...

 

 

And I have recovered 3 TTSX this year... One from a Red Hartabeeste, Black Springbok, and this Coues deer.

 

I'd be interested in the details... shot angle, distance, load, impact velocity, etc... post up pics if you got 'em. Gave up on the boys at Barnes before the magic blue tips of death arrived... but I gotta think if you're recovering them you're shooting shoulders or up the hind end.

 

Easy to say now the TSX won't work below 2k... I'm one of the guys that learned so you could know. The original X at times didn't work @ 3k... depending on lot numbers.

[firstcoueswas80]

What would you like pix of... I have allll the pictures you could want, but for now Ill bore you with details:

 

 

 

Red H.beest.: shot was 225 yards. I was using a Kimber 300 WSM with the 168 TTSX. I dont recall MV right now, or exact load data but it was a heavy dose of R25, Federal GMM 215 primer, Federal brass. He was laying down, 1/4ing away from me. I stuck the bullet behind the last rib, found it right at the shoulder opposite side. (straight down) It weighed 167 grains:

 

 

Next was a Black Springbok.

183 yards, facing me, slightly quartering to. Bullet entered front shoulder was found in rear ham. I believ it weight 156 grains. (straight down)

 

Bullet on the right. The one on the left is the same as above

 

 

 

Next was my coues deer. 291 yards standing at a kinda funky angle kinda quartering to, but his back half was higher up than his chest a little. (went straight down) I dont know for sure where the bullet was found and I do not have it yet as the meat processor found it and I havent picked up the meat yet:

 

[MattMan]

Every recovered Barnes I have, except one, is from quartering or longwise shots on elk... seems things haven't changed much with the magic blue tip. Mine look roughly the same as yours, give or take the bands...

 

The exception to the rule was a cow elk shot perfectly broadside at 10 yards with a 130 original X from a 264 win mag... shed every petal and stopped on the ball socket of the offside shoulder. Impact velocity about 3250 fps... give or take... impressive bang-flop nonetheless.

[CouesWhitetail]

Ok, the thread is closed. If you want to debate bullet performance, why not start another thread and not hijack this one. And please knock off the negativity. If you want to debate the ethics of shots and long range shooting, you can start another thread and use some general examples. There is no need to trash other members of this forum.