30A Dos Cabezas access issues

[wardsoutfitters]

HOW DO WE GET INVOLVED WITH AZPLAC ?

[azslim]

I see both sides of the issue - as a hunter I want to get to public ground but coming from a land owning family in Wy why to you want to let in people that are going to shoot holes in your tanks, tear up fence and leave mounds of trash on the property. Unfortunately more and more of society think it is someone else's job to clean up their trash and if they have a gun anything that will hold still is fair game. And there is no need to expand on the damage done to the country side by pinheads too lazy to walk 10 ft from their OHV's.

 

 

You want access, try offering to fix a few miles of fence, stack some hay or help out with branding - it may bring good results.

[billrquimby]

I see both sides of the issue - as a hunter I want to get to public ground but coming from a land owning family in Wy why to you want to let in people that are going to shoot holes in your tanks, tear up fence and leave mounds of trash on the property. Unfortunately more and more of society think it is someone else's job to clean up their trash and if they have a gun anything that will hold still is fair game. And there is no need to expand on the damage done to the country side by pinheads too lazy to walk 10 ft from their OHV's. You want access, try offering to fix a few miles of fence, stack some hay or help out with branding - it may bring good results.

 

I also see both sides of this issue:

 

I feel empathy for someone when the "improvements" he has erected on our land are senselessly threatened. However, I also view this as part of his cost of doing business on the public's land.

 

Why must I work for free for anyone who me denies access to lands that belong to me and all other citizens, simply because of a comparatively few vandals?

 

Bill Quimby

 

 

 

[azslim]

I can't answer that Bill, I can just relate to the problems that result in ranchers closing off access. Altho some are just turds about it some have legitimate issues with the public tearing stuff up and stealing. I know several here in Az that have had generators and pump jacks stolen off wells, it would only take once or twice before you throw your hands in the air and lock everybody out. Just like the lady on the east end of Arivaipa Canyon, she had all her gas siphoned on several occasions, didn't leave her enough to make the 50 miles to the closest gas station. What would you do? Last I heard she locked the gate so folks couldn't get through and hasn't lost gas since. Patience wears thin after a while. Too bad we can't tattoo the foreheads of turds that screw it up for the rest of us, that way they would be easy to recognize.

 

I'm gonna get a sore crotch on this one straddling the fence - both sides have legitimate issues.

[COUESAZ]

The ranch I used to hunt in 34b will let you on his family ranch if you call him and talk to him . But he will tell you right up front to not stop on the ranch in front of his. That ranchers does not let people hunt it. He will also tell you right up front to not bring your ATV. He does drive the roads and if he sees ATVS in your camp he will stop and talk it over with you and remind you that he does not let them on his ranch. He is Very nice about it. Then if he sees ATV tracks by your camp the next time he drives by you are asked to load up and go off his land. I hunted that land most my life. His father was the same way. His nephew got the lease land behind his family ranch and you could not pay to hunt the lease land if you wanted to the nephew will not unlock the gates and never answers the phone number on the sign. He closed the gate the day he took over the lease. No one gave him any need to do it. So right there we have two examples of good ranch people and a terd.