elk chronicles

[.270]

just watched elk chronciles. worse than a waste of time. they were on the double h ranch in new mex. the guy that owns its kid was hunting. shot a nice bull at dark. which in my book, ain't too smart with a bow. when i still bowhunted i would usually quit each day maybe a little early, to keep from hitting and losing one. anyway, he shot it and they just said oh well, we'll come back tomorrow and get it. not even a token effort to track it. then they even waited a couple extra hours the next day, to let the other elk clear out, whatever that meant. no sense in even trying to retrieve the meat after it spent the night dead in west new mex in september. a well hit animal can only go about as far as it can hold it's breath in most cases. if you're gonna hunt, you have to do the hard work that it takes to retrieve and use the meat. it's bad enough that folks do this crap, and folks waste the meat a bunch of the time, but when they film it and then try to be heros about it, it really pisses me off. if you aren't gonna do everything you can to eat what you kill, and to take care of it as fast as you can, you need to stay home. and this is rmef's show. wow, they are sure good stewards of elk, if they will actually promote this kinda crap on tv. shows that horns is all that matters. these animals die for us. they need to be respected better. especially by the guys that are making money off of em. this is bull. i quit supporting the rmef a long time ago because of phylisophical differences. glad none of my money goes to this kinda "sportmanship". sometimes things happen and an animal will get away overnight, or even completely. but to just go back to the "lodge" and wait for the next day is pure crap. feed it to the coyotes. these guys need to be prosecuted for this kinda crap. don't any o' you guys do this. it ain't right. Lark.

[BRYCE CANYON]

I agree with you.

[rogeti]

TOTALLY AGREE!!!! whoever taught these guys you have to give the animals days to die need shot. go find the animal and end it. First it starts with making good shots and not far ones. I dont archery hunt and its because i see to many animals not killed. Im tired of hearing i shot the animal in the leg or in the gut. then they say it will be ok and will not die!!

[bobbyo]

Well said. I agree completely. I did not see this episode, but have seen similar crap on other shows. Makes one wonder if these t.v. guys own a lantern.

Bob

[catclaw]

Depends on where they hit the elk. If it was a good hit, they need to get a lantern and get after it. If is is a gut shot, then you should wait 3-4 hours MINIMUM to make sure that it doesn't get bumped out of bed and run off. This is the most common reason that hunters lose elk that they track- the elk quit bleeding, get bumped and move out leaving no blood trail. Most hunters are poor trackers and it doesn't take much to lose a trail.

 

If you are going to shoot in poor light you should invest in some illuminated nocks so as to see your hits. Otherwise, as Lark says, quit early!

 

I saw some pretty amazing stuff during the hunt in 10 so far this year. I wanted to take a bugle away from one guy and shove it where a thermometer goes! Holy crap- It think guys watch an outdoor show and become elk experts! I swear some hunters must NOT want to kill a bull. Sure doing everything they can to ruin their hunt!

[Browning'sCustomMeat]

Totally agree 10000000%. I was watching Hunting the World Southern Style...thats a goofy show. The guy was in a stand waiting for a bull to come in. The bull comes in hunter is at full draw waiting for shot....bull DOES NOT give a clear shot, hunter holds bow for about a minute. Bull turns slightly and gives a extreme quartering away shot and I guess the hunter couldn't hold no more...so instead of letting down the bow he lets the arrow fly and makes a horrible shot and loses the bull. And then says at the end of show that these things happen....total BS.

 

-Jeremy-

[BeardownAZ]

These shows are all about the people in them and getting there face on TV, nothing to do with the animals at all. They epitomize everything Hollywood and everything fake that I can't stand. I used to think these shows were neat but I started seeing there true colors. Dont watch any of them anymore. The only shows I watch anymore are usually the ones about the guns and equipment(Guns and Ammo TV, etc), not hunting. And even those can be lame at times. Whats sad, this is what most non hunters see as our representation !

[DesertBull]

I had a DVD from a well known guide in Utah. On one hunt they bow killed an absolute MONSTER bull in the middle of the afternoon. Must have been warm because no one was wearing a jacket.

 

The head honcho guide was in a different area and they showed the guide that was in on the kill calling him to tell him to come check it out. Next scene it is pitch black and they are scoring the bull by flashlight. They zoom out a little and you can see that the bull was still not field dressed. They get the score and start screamin and hollerin like they just won the Power Ball.

 

NExt scene - it's daylight and the bull is still on the ground and has STILL not been field dressed, skinned...nuthin.

 

I threw the **** in the garbage. Wonder why no G&F dudes questioned him on the waste of meat?

[Browning'sCustomMeat]

Hunting the World Season 1 Episode 55 I believe, I just cant find a video...

[Broken Wheels]

Though I agree on most of what has been said (minus the not shooting towards the end of day) I sure hope the anti-hunters do NOT read these articles cuz next thing you know all of you will be on a national magazine or television show called something like Treehugger.com as witness to the fact we shouldn't allow hunting in the United States. Just saying...

[billrquimby]

Lark's anger after watching a hunting video is exactly why I refuse to watch them. There may be a few good videos out there, but I don't want to wade through the junk to find them.

 

Bill Quimby

[joeybari]

I see what you’re saying and yes there should have been a strong effort to track the bull but like someone said before there are too many factors that may affect your ability to track that bull at night.

Shot placement is a big one. If the shot was not a good one it is always best to wait as long as possible. (And I don’t care WHO you are we all have had a bad shot in our hunting life at lest once).

Time of day and were the hunt is taken place. If it’s dark and you tracking a wounded animal with no certainty of the extent of the shot you may be pushing the animal and an animal on adrenalin can go for hours. Also were the hunt is taking place is a factor that may need to be taken into consideration. I and my family hunt a lot in south Arizona 36c (bow and rifle) I would never epically if my son is with me go and track a deer at night, just way to dangers and Im not talk about illegal crossings, drugs dealers but even the crazy Terrain that you come across its hard sometimes during the day multiple that by ten with a kid at night.

 

But that being said I would give every thing I got to try to find that animal before I call it a night.

I have an uncle how lost a foot tracking deer back east at night during the 70’s to a raccoon trap that he could not see. My dad to this day (65 years old) will always tell that story to any hunter and scare the sh++ out of them.

Also those shows edit a lot out to fit in there 15 mins of fame and it really only 15 min shows, so we really don’t know what’s going on behind the camera.

 

But I did not see the show so what you are saying can in fact be true then that’s messed up. All those shows are kind of stupid anyway.

[catclaw]

I had a DVD from a well known guide in Utah. On one hunt they bow killed an absolute MONSTER bull in the middle of the afternoon. Must have been warm because no one was wearing a jacket.

 

The head honcho guide was in a different area and they showed the guide that was in on the kill calling him to tell him to come check it out. Next scene it is pitch black and they are scoring the bull by flashlight. They zoom out a little and you can see that the bull was still not field dressed. They get the score and start screamin and hollerin like they just won the Power Ball.

 

NExt scene - it's daylight and the bull is still on the ground and has STILL not been field dressed, skinned...nuthin.

 

I threw the **** in the garbage. Wonder why no G&F dudes questioned him on the waste of meat?

 

 

When Lyons killed that big bull, I did notice that they never did bother to dress him and cool him off. I am surprised that the hair wasn't slipping! I had to laugh when Doyle said , referring the the bull lying in the road, that this was the only road they had ever blocked!!!

 

I had to scratch my head after that one.

 

When I mentioned that I had observed a lot of ruined meat with Sierra match King bullets ,I had a very prominent AZ outfitter tell me that he was a "trophy hunter" not a meat hunter and could care less how much meat he ruined! I let it go at that. It is an argument that you can't win- kinda like arguing for or against legalizing marijuana. Impossible to win!

[chompy]

Wow tough crowd on here today, I to watched the show but you couldn't really see where the shot hit, been up in unit 13 in NM since Sept. 1st guiding, 4 guys hit bulls right before dark the two that backed out and didn't push them recovered their bulls the next morning, and the two that insisted on finding thiers that night both ended up pushing the bulls and it rained before morning and they lost the tracks and blood and never found their bulls. Guess it depends on the situation, but in my opinion it's better to be safe than sorry.

[.270]

every state has laws against wasting game meat. if you shoot an animal, especially an elk in warm weather, and for whatever reason, choose to not find it asap, you're wasting game meat. you aren't being a good sportsman and you are being a slob hunter. they make flashlights, bloodlights, lanterns, torches, etc. there isn't an "ethical" way to justify shooting something and not doing everything you can to retrieve it in time to eat it. if you can't, then don't shoot it to start with. they even waited some extra time the next morning so as to not get in the way of someone else who was trying to shoot an elk off the same bait. if they lost the blood the night before, they should have been there before light to get after it again. have you ever, one time, seen em field dress an animal on a hunting show that they can drive to? one of these days some anti hunter is gonna pick up on the fact that most of these hunting shows let animals lay around for days after they shoot em to take photos and other economic reasons and they are gonna raise heck. and joe hunter, like me, is the one that's gonna end up paying for it. what they did on that show last night was pure bs. and it was condoned by the rmef. Lark.