DesertBull Report post Posted July 21, 2010 http://www.kcra.com/news/24329983/detail.html :angry: BILLINGS, Mont. -- Tens of thousands of gray wolves would be returned to the woods of New England, the mountains of California, the wide open Great Plains and the desert West under a scientific petition filed Tuesday with the federal government. The animals were poisoned and trapped to near-extermination in the United States last century, but have since clawed their way back to some of the most remote wilderness in the lower 48 states. Biologists with the Arizona-based Center for Biological Diversity, however, said those isolated pockets of wolves are not enough. "If the gray wolf is listed as endangered, it should be recovered in all significant portions of its range, not just fragments," said Michael Robinson, one of the petition's authors. He said the animals occupy just 5 percent of their historic range in the lower 48 states. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.270 Report post Posted July 21, 2010 these guys are comical. i hope they put em in massachusettes and new york and virginia, etc. there ain't 40 acres back there that ain't either owned, fenced or has a building or highway on it. good heck. what a buncha idiots. and there's guys around here that are all for it. Lark. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NYAZHunter Report post Posted July 21, 2010 270 , please do not wish that on New York. NY state ranks 13th in Federal/state owned land , Arizona is 6th. there is a lot of public hunting ground available in the Catskill and Adironack Mountains. Now, if they would only ship em to New Jersey Jim Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cmc Report post Posted July 21, 2010 How come the CDB isn't working on getting the buffalo/bison back up to the numbers they once were? Why just wolves? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DesertBull Report post Posted July 21, 2010 Buffalo give humans more stuff to shoot and eat. More stuff to shoot and eat leads to more hunters. More hunters leads to more guns. More guns leads to more pro-gun voters and we just can't have that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.270 Report post Posted July 21, 2010 why not camels, wooly mammoths, mastadons, sabre tooths, bear faced cats, all them extinct animals. there are just as many o' them left as there are mexican gray wolves. these guys are just jackholes that are making a buncha money off of hollywood money and lawsuits. they get a bunch of stupid kids with no clue what is right to do their bidding them. get a bunch of movie starts to donate money and make assinine statements. and other stupid people fall in. and the wheel goes round. none of these introductions have done anything beneficial and have only accomplished putting hardship on outdoors people. nothing they do makes sense, monetarilly, scientifically or ethically. with the current attitude in DC these guys have a chance if they keep it up. if you think the crap we're dealing with here is bad, wait till they make em do this kinda crap east of the missisippi. it will serve the people there, that have no clue what the west is about, right. this is another example of what bleeding hearts can and will do when they believe lies and let liars lead em. Lark. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cmc Report post Posted July 22, 2010 http://www.rmef.org/NewsandMedia/NewsReleases/2010/Sued.htm Attention All States: Prepare to be Sued Over Wolves MISSOULA, Mont.—With their latest petition to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, animal rights activists are preparing to sue for federally mandated release of wolves in every state, warn officials with the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation. David Allen, RMEF president and CEO, says animal rights groups have learned that introducing wolves translates to major fundraising, and activists have found a way to exploit the Endangered Species Act—as well as taxpayer-funded programs that cover lawyer fees—to push their agenda and build revenue through the courts. “There are now about 100,000 gray wolves in the U.S. and Canada, and over the past few years in Idaho, Montana and Wyoming, activists discovered that every wolf is also a cash cow,” said Allen. “If we don’t get some reform in federal laws very soon, we’re all going to be living in Jurassic Park. This is not about saving a lost species. It’s about money and special interest agendas.” “Americans need to wake up,” he added, “because when you respond to those fundraising letters with photos of cute little wolf pups, you’re writing a check that our country’s rural and traditional lifestyles can’t cash. You’re eroding the fundamentals of America’s model for wildlife conservation.” Allen said undermanaged wolf populations in the northern Rockies are compromising the health of other wildlife species—especially elk and other prey. In areas of Montana and Idaho where wolves share habitat with elk, calf survival rates now are too low to sustain herds for the future. “How do animal rights groups who claim to defend wildlife justify elk calf survival rates below 10 percent? Clearly they have another agenda,” said Allen. Participation in hunting and the funding it generates for conservation also are being negatively affected, as are local economies, livestock production and potentially even human safety. Continuous lawsuits by activists have setback wolf control and management efforts, compounding problems and costs for states. “Now imagine bringing these kinds of impacts to more populated states elsewhere in the U.S., and I think we’re looking at an unprecedented wildlife management disaster,” said Allen. RMEF has helped to successfully restore elk populations in Kentucky, Tennessee, Wisconsin and other states where habitat is suitable and citizens support the effort. Elk restoration is being considered currently in Virginia and Missouri using these same criteria. “There are two proven ways to restore a species,” said Allen. “Our way is offering to help with funding and expertise so long as the local public wants the species and the state can manage them. The other way is using lawsuits and loopholes to shove a project down people’s throats.” Animal rights groups filed a petition July 20 complaining that wolves now inhabit just 5 percent of their former range in the U.S., and that wolf populations should be recovered in all significant portions of that range. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS) responded by saying that it is reviewing “what is realistic and where the suitable habitat would be.” The agency’s review could be complete by late 2010 or early 2011. “We urge USFWS to be very cautious in this evaluation and reject the rhetoric of the Center for Biological Diversity, Defenders of Wildlife, Earth Justice, Humane Society of the U.S. and other animal rights groups. Wolf re-introduction in the greater Yellowstone region was a classic example of ‘let’s get our foot in the door and then move the goal line,’ and should be warning enough. This is a fundraising strategy with anti-hunting, anti-ranching, anti-gun impacts, and the public needs to understand and see it for it is,” added Allen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deercrazy Report post Posted July 22, 2010 This topic sounds kinda familiar. There are lots of things that use to be here, now they are not, and they should have federal help to be relocated back to where they use to be, even if the new inhabitants do not want them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites