leupold and kenton ind turet.

[oz31p]

is any one useing a vx3 4.4x14 40or50 or lr with a kenton ind turret. if so i was wondering how well you like it or would you set up your rig differently know what you know now. also witch type of turret do you have.

[catclaw]

Never heard of kenton turrets. See your PM

[matthewp45]

I have 4 of them set up. If you give Kenton Ind. the correct info you will have one heck of a long range shooting machine. Mine are all on the Leupold Mark 4 LR/T 4.5X14X40 with the 7/8" target knobs. Almost exactly the same as the VX3 has the same knobs. I use the Long Range Hunter Turret from Kenton. It goes all the way to a 1000 yards and I have shot all of them out to a 1000 and it is unbelievable how well it works. I have killed an elk at 638 yards and a Mule Deer at 445 yards both one shot kills. I used the claw on both shots and just dialed in the range and dropped both animals in their tracks. THis system is a simple system to set up and is as accurate as any other on the market. All you need is your exact info:

Caliber

Bullet B.C.

Type of Bullet and Manufacture

Bullet Grains

Temp.

Avg. Barometric Pressure

Avg. Altitude

Velocity in FPS of the Load you are shooting

Barrel Length

Scope and Dimensions

Distance between center of Bore to center of scope

What yardage you want your zero to be ( I have mine at 200 )

Here is the URL http://www.kentonindustries.com/orderForm/?item=elevation2

 

For the temp. and elevation you can't get it exactly so I just took an average elevation of 3,500 feet and Temp. I used 50 degrees and have not had any issues with this. If you are going to be shooting beyond 650 yards you may want to buy a knob for each elevation you will be hunting at. Under 650 an average will be just fine but remember to zero your rifle at each elevation. When you recieve your knob remove the factory knob and replace it with the Kenton knob. Zero your rifle at your desired zero yardage and line the zero on the knob up to the line on the scope. You are ready to go. Hope this helps. My $.02

[oz31p]

thanks for the info matt.

 

i too will be shooting off the claw.

 

i have been looking around i dont think i can get a new vx3 with the tall target knobs with out sending it in. i may have to go with the coin slot type. either way ill be calling in my order to kenton. i have too many questions for them for an internet order.

[matthewp45]

I always call in to order the turrets. They ask even more questions than the form and if you have any questions they can answer them. They are great to work with.

[catclaw]

I have 4 of them set up. If you give Kenton Ind. the correct info you will have one heck of a long range shooting machine. Mine are all on the Leupold Mark 4 LR/T 4.5X14X40 with the 7/8" target knobs. Almost exactly the same as the VX3 has the same knobs. I use the Long Range Hunter Turret from Kenton. It goes all the way to a 1000 yards and I have shot all of them out to a 1000 and it is unbelievable how well it works. I have killed an elk at 638 yards and a Mule Deer at 445 yards both one shot kills. I used the claw on both shots and just dialed in the range and dropped both animals in their tracks. THis system is a simple system to set up and is as accurate as any other on the market. All you need is your exact info:

Caliber

Bullet B.C.

Type of Bullet and Manufacture

Bullet Grains

Temp.

Avg. Barometric Pressure

Avg. Altitude

Velocity in FPS of the Load you are shooting

Barrel Length

Scope and Dimensions

Distance between center of Bore to center of scope

What yardage you want your zero to be ( I have mine at 200 )

Here is the URL http://www.kentonindustries.com/orderForm/?item=elevation2

 

For the temp. and elevation you can't get it exactly so I just took an average elevation of 3,500 feet and Temp. I used 50 degrees and have not had any issues with this. If you are going to be shooting beyond 650 yards you may want to buy a knob for each elevation you will be hunting at. Under 650 an average will be just fine but remember to zero your rifle at each elevation. When you recieve your knob remove the factory knob and replace it with the Kenton knob. Zero your rifle at your desired zero yardage and line the zero on the knob up to the line on the scope. You are ready to go. Hope this helps. My $.02

 

Why on earth would they need all that superfluous information to make a turret???

 

All you need is the velocity, BC and environmental data. Barrel length, caliber, bullet weight are meaningless. Only reason I can see for adding this is if you want it engraved on your turret!

 

Turrets that are graduated in "yards" rather than Mils or MOA are certainly easy to use but have the down-side of being load specific. Should you find a new magic powder or bullet- you will need new turrets!

 

If you are a one-load kinda guy, this is a great way to go though.

 

 

 

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OK, I just went to their website. Kinda what I figured. They have knobs that are similar to what Huskemaw and others have on them. They are easy to use but pretty much load specific. I would hate to spend $110 and then find out I like a different bullet weight better or something. I really don't have a problem looking at a chart to see how many MOA I need to dial in to make the shot. It is one extra step but completely forgiving as to bullet, load, velocity, elevation, temp etc. Maybe I am a gadget kinda guy. I kinda like my M1 turrets.

[matthewp45]

That is what they ask for when you fill out the online info or call and give it to them. They obviously have a reason for it or they wouldn't waste my time or theirs getting the extra info. My guess would be the more info the more precise the turret. I don't really care I will give them all the info they need to get a turret that works as well as their's do.

[oz31p]

i think im torn now between the Mark 4 LR/T 4.5X14X40 with target knobs and the vx3 4.4x14x40 LR. catclaw pointed me toward a local retailer were the mk4 is $80 more but it comes standard with the flip up scope covers. the two are within .9oz of eachother. from looking at the web site the vx3 is optically superior as it has the "index matched lens" but the vx3 with the '' extended twilght lens takes the index matched lens one step further" so confused ill have to call leupold.

[matthewp45]

Does the VX3 have the focus adjustment knob on it. The Mark 4 has a knob on the side that focuses your scope just like your binos. If the VX3 doesn't have it I would go with the Mark 4. It makes a big difference at long rang to be able to focus it clearly on the target. Also does the VX3 come with the 30mm tube. I think the 30mm tube allows more light in and helps at last light shots. The Mark 4 comes with a 30mm tube.

[youngbuck]

The VX3AO (adjustable objective) has it on the lense i believe. the mark4 is a side parlax adjustment. 12x and below scope arent too bad and most dont have an adjustable objective lense. THe 14s is about where they start. I have a 4.5-14 w/out any paralax adjustment and it is fine. I need it on my 18 and higher scopes. If you are going to shoot a log ways w/ 14x, Id look for one w/ some sort of paralax adjustment. Kenton is a good company who make a good product. Call them, they are extremely helpfull and imformative. The MOA system is different that "ranging and shooting" but is very usefull. VERY usefull for wind drift or if you shoot a lot of different loads from one gun. Down side to the MOA calculations, you need to calculate them, well your phone or something will. Last I was looking @ kenton, turrents were around 80$ i think. Still 100$ isnt bad if you have to change loads. BTW everyone that I know who has been using the kenton turrents has had great sucess with them.

 

[scoutm]

It's my understanding to get target Turrets on a a vx3 scope you have to go up in power or you would need to move to the Mark IV.

 

I have a Kenton turret cap on one of my rifles and it works great. I have moa caps on a few other rifles and they work great too. The Kenton are extremely easy to use but it, as already stated, is only good for the load they were built for. The MOA Turret caps are a little more difficult to learn but once you have it down you can use whatever load you want and simply build a ballistics card for that particular load making MOA Turret caps much more versatile.

 

I have both setups on Zeiss Conquest scopes. I've been extremely impressed with the repeatability of the adjustments. You may want to give the Conquest line a look.

 

 

[oz31p]

from what i can find on the web and talking to the rep at leupold the vx3 4.4x14x40LR has the side focus and a 30mm tube. the mk4 LR/T 4.4x14x40 has side focus 30mm tube and tall turrets and comes standard with the aluma flip up covers witch offsets the cost between the two as i would not have a scope with out covers. im going to call leupold again tomorrow to ask about the diferance in the glass and the warranty. the vx3 is covered under the gold ring warranty but the website says the mk4 "vary depending on use " i would like a little more info about that. but brunos shooting supplys has incredible prices on all leupolds. i call them today the lady on the phone about died when i asked her if they were stolen with prices so low.

[catclaw]

The only difference I found between the Mark IV and the VX3 was that the boss where the turrets are located are beefier and have while markings on them. Maybe there are internal differences but at the SHOT show, the Leupold reps that helped me had NO idea! We walked over to the Barrett booth to ask them as they make the BORS for the Leupold Mark IV and they said it would fit the VXIII or 3.

 

My VXIII 4.5-14 LR has a side focus and 30mm tube. This adds quite a bit of weight to a scope. Have to decide if it is worth the trade-off or not.

 

IF I ordered a brand new Mark IV, I would get M2 knobs rather than M1. The M2s will NOT retrofit on a VXIII, only a mark IV. I much prefer the 1/2MOA elevation knobs over the 1/4 MOA knobs for hunting.

 

The Specialty scopes made for guys like John Burns et al. have 1/3 MOA adjustments. The only way to get this is to buy the scope (a Leupold) from them. I guess they have determined that the 1/3 MOA is the best balance of speed, precision and simplicity. I can't argue with that but Leupold does not sell a scope to the general public with such adjustments. You can get way out there without having to go all the way around the dial.

I think the Huskemaw is this way too but not certain.

 

The big advantage to the Kenton type turrets is that you can shoot faster because you don't have to consult a PDA or chart. Biggest drawback is that it is set up for only one load.

[oz31p]

mark 4 LR/T 4.5-14x40 w/tall target knobs. on order.

[matthewp45]

You won't ever regret it. I love mine and wouldn't use anything else. The turrets are as simple as it gets to install and adjust. Just loosen 3 small screws and replace or adjust and tighten back.