coueshunter Report post Posted September 8, 2005 The deer slam was a personal goal of mine and I completed it 4 years ago. I now am working on upgrading my sitka blacky and Rocky mountain muley. Hopefully in October I get a monster muley from Colorado to finish upgrading the muley......Allen Taylor.......p.s. Jay Gates completed it like 6 times......he is a god.......LOL........ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coueshunter Report post Posted September 8, 2005 Didnt see your other question DeerSlam: 1st blacktail: Washington state 1978 1st muley: Washington State 1979 1st whitetail: Montana 1982 1st coues: Sonora, Mexico 2002 1st Sitka: Uganik, Alaska: 2001 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coueshunter Report post Posted September 8, 2005 Didnt see your other question DeerSlam: 1st blacktail: Washington state 1978 1st muley: Washington State 1979 1st whitetail: Montana 1982 1st coues: Sonora, Mexico 2002 1st Sitka: Uganik, Alaska: 2001 Nothing against guides but I self guided all these because it was a personal goal. Allen Taylor Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DEERSLAM Report post Posted September 8, 2005 AWESOME Thanks for sharing Allen. Co. blktail: 74 muley: 79 whitetail: 96 coues: 02 sitka: ? All of these were self guided except the whitetail. I'm always looking to upgrade, self guided, as I don't see myself paying for a guided hunt for any of these deer, unless I draw a super tag that justifies it. The main reason is another goal of mine is to take as many different North American big game species as possible and I have a long long way to go Anyone else have a deer slam, or close? Any other of slams? Rembrant, Denny's don't count Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shiras Report post Posted September 9, 2005 Bill Q, Sounds like you've experienced it all when it comes to the deer family. Tell me, which of the species was the most exciting, difficult, stenuous etc.... Where does the Coues rank? It's only a dream to me now, but I'm working on changing that.... -Shiras Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DEERSLAM Report post Posted September 9, 2005 Bill Q, Sounds like you've experienced it all when it comes to the deer family. Tell me, which of the species was the most exciting, difficult, stenuous etc.... Where does the Coues rank? It's only a dream to me now, but I'm working on changing that.... -Shiras <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I have also taken a few of the exotic deer, fallow, axis, sika etc. on large ranches in Texas (not free roaming but very wild) and in my mind any mature deer (4 1/2 and older) is a difficult trophy and exciting hunt. That said I have seen mature coues bucks do things that have blown my mind. I think the biggest factor that puts the coues at or near the top is his ability to disappear into his environment like nothing else Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billrquimby Report post Posted September 9, 2005 Bill Q, Sounds like you've experienced it all when it comes to the deer family. Tell me, which of the species was the most exciting, difficult, stenuous etc.... Where does the Coues rank? It's only a dream to me now, but I'm working on changing that.... -Shiras <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Nope, there are 40 species of deer worldwide and I've only scratched the surface after more than half a century of hunting them. Coues deer are Number One for me, and the reason is their habitat. As do all of you, I love to spot and stalk. As for my "exotics," none was taken behind wire on a Texax game ranch. Here's where my deer came from: NORTH AMERICA Whitetails 1948 to 2000: Northeastern-- Michigan; Northwestern -- Wyoming; Texas -- Texas; Carmen Mountain -- Texas; Coues -- Arizona. Alaska-Yukon moose 1990 -- Yukon. Rocky Mountain elk 1954 to 2003 -- Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado Caribou 1994 -- Northwest Territories. Desert Mule deer 1950 to 2004 -- Arizona, Mexico. Rocky Mountain mule deer 1948 to 1985 -- Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado. Columbia black-tailed deer about 1990 -- California. Axis deer 1975 -- Texas (mine was free-ranging in the Hill Country). ASIA Asian elk 1990 -- Mongolia. Siberian roe deer 1990 -- Mongolia. EUROPE Spanish red deer 1987 -- Spain. AUSTRALASIA European red deer 1988 -- New Zealand. Sika deer -- 1988 New Zealand. AFRICA Fallow deer 1985-- South Africa. SOUTH AMERICA Brocket deer 2005 -- Argentina. I've given some thought to applying the term "Grand Slam" to hunting. I believe it started with Arizona sheep guide/outdoor writer Bob Housholder when he formed the Grand Slam Club (for American wild sheep) in the 1950s. He was an athlete of sorts and "Grand Slam" is baseballese for filling the bases and hitting a home run --- four runs in all. Problem is, he considered his wild sheep Grand Slam to include Rocky Mountain, desert, Dall and Stone sheep, categorizing the four as separate "species" when there actually are only two -- the thinhorns and the bighorns. He ignored other subspecies, such as the California bighorn because they were not open to hunting then. A Grand Slam of North American deer probably should include four species of the smaller antlered game we call "deer." However, there actually are only two deer species of this size in North America and they are the whitetail (there are 30 subspecies in North America, including the Coues) and the mule deer (there are nine subspecies; two are blacktails, seven are mule deer). For a true North American deer slam a hunter probably would have to take four of the six species of deer found on our continent: whitetail mule deer elk moose caribou brocket deer Are we having fun yet? Bill Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billrquimby Report post Posted September 9, 2005 "A Grand Slam of North American deer probably should include four species of the smaller antlered game we call "deer." However, there actually are only two deer species of this size in North America and they are the whitetail (there are 30 subspecies in North America, including the Coues) and the mule deer (there are nine subspecies; two are blacktails, seven are mule deer). " I screwed up when I neglected to mention t the brocket deer in the paragraph above. There are four separate brocket species, and two are found in lower North America. These are pretty little creatures with slick coats and small spiked antlers. Bill Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DEERSLAM Report post Posted September 9, 2005 Just got the new issue of Fair Chase magazine and they list 11 subspecies of mule deer. rocky mountain mule deer desert mule deer bura mule deer califonia mule deer southern mule deer inyo mule deer peninsula mule deer tiburon mule deer cedros island mule deer columbian blacktail deer sitka blacktail deer And I know there are a lot more subspecies of whitetail. I can see why Boone & Crockett only keeps records of the 5 major subspecies, the deer slam- mule, columbian and sitka blktail, whitetail and coues. There just isn't a big enough difference in some of those sub-subspecies and the geographic bounderies would be impossible. And Bill, we are having fun Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DEERSLAM Report post Posted September 9, 2005 Oh and by the way coueshunter, congrats on THE DEER SLAM, it's a great accomplishment Anybody else, or is anybody working towards it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shiras Report post Posted September 9, 2005 http://www.blacktailcountry.com/html/blkpage.htm Interesting that this site claims that the mule deer is a hybrid between a blacktail buck and a whitetail doe. If that is true the 2 species should be WT and BT. -Shiras Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DEERSLAM Report post Posted September 9, 2005 http://www.blacktailcountry.com/html/blkpage.htm Interesting that this site claims that the mule deer is a hybrid between a blacktail buck and a whitetail doe. If that is true the 2 species should be WT and BT. -Shiras <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Shiras, this is true. I have seen this debate by biologists for awhile now. Wonder what Dr. Valerius Geist view is on this subject? Bill Q., any take on this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DEERSLAM Report post Posted September 9, 2005 .......p.s. Jay Gates completed it like 6 times......he is a god.......LOL........ <{POST_SNAPBACK}> All it takes is $$ and the right connections. You do have to be a good hunter and shoot straight but the above is a huge help. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Couesnut Report post Posted September 10, 2005 .......p.s. Jay Gates completed it like 6 times......he is a god.......LOL........ <{POST_SNAPBACK}> All it takes is $$ and the right connections. You do have to be a good hunter and shoot straight but the above is a huge help. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Couesnut Report post Posted September 10, 2005 Whoooo... there DEERSLAM" I'm not quite sure what you ment by you're P.S. quote. If you new Jay Gates you would know that he took 8 slams in 8 consecutive years. Most were true trophys & taken on his own. There was a time when you could hunt private prop. by asking & being a good stewart. He is one heck of a deer hunter. Since those days he continues to kill some truely monsterous bucks, of all species. He just does'nt care if anybody knows. DH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
