SB1070

[wackycouesaddict]

im with you tines i have been saying that for a while hahaha thats why i got to watch my back at school and have got some dis approvel grades the teachers dont want this to change. because they dont have to do there job and "teach" they can just put on a show and blame it on no child left behind. (witch i hate as well). And i dont know if you guys know any thing about the perop on schools i wouldnt vote yes on it if i were you guys. They dont do there jobs now you start getting rid of them mabye they will!!!!!!

[Non-Typical Solutions]

im with you tines i have been saying that for a while hahaha thats why i got to watch my back at school and have got some dis approvel grades the teachers dont want this to change. because they dont have to do there job and "teach" they can just put on a show and blame it on no child left behind. (witch i hate as well). And i dont know if you guys know any thing about the perop on schools i wouldnt vote yes on it if i were you guys. They dont do there jobs now you start getting rid of them mabye they will!!!!!!

 

wacky,

What teachers don't want what to change???

Are you talking about the law that might help classroom sizes come back down to a realistic and managable size?

Are you talking about a law that might decrease the number of students who "no hablo engles" that teachers have to figure out how to comply with NCLB?

Are you talking about the law that might decrease the number of students who show up for three months, disappear for three months and then show up for three months and then expect to pass on to the next level?

Are you talking about the law that might decrease the number of students on free lunch?

 

Just not sure what teachers don't want this change???

 

And don't blame the teachers for NCLB, I think that was a Bush plan that was ill advised, mainly the wording on it. Teachers are just the ones who got stuck having to deal with it.

 

As for voting for the one cent tax, as long as you want to continue to be the 50th state out of 50 for the amount spent per student in the nation then go ahead and vote no on that one cent tax.

 

No doubt there are some crappy teachers out there but there is a bunch of good ones out there driving junkier cars than most of the illegals in this country.

 

The bill might be a bandaid for sure, but if it turns the heat up on the fryin pan then it will have done its job.

[SpotNStalk]

Josh, I have read the entire bill and some. I also understand that its illegal to hire illegal immigrants but again unless your "seriously" going to go after the companies and fix the border problem you could sign as many bills as you would like its not going to stop them from coming and continuing to come back. Its definitly not a cure all or a even a good remedy at that. Its going to cost the state/tax payers a lot of money that it doesnt have for something that is not going to change anything, the way things stand right now. You can count on someone suing for racial profiling, right or wrong its going to happen ,costing more money. You can put them in jail, costing more money, and when they get out they will come right back.

 

 

You're right, lets roll over and wait for someone else to come up with a better plan. Especially since it will cost us more money. Maybe if the feds actually reimbursed the state of AZ to begin with due to illegal immigration (which is their end of the deal), we'd get money that could off-set some of the costs. Maybe if we stopped all of the benefits going towards those who are in this country illegally, THAT would off-set some of the costs. To tell me that we DON'T have the money to incarcerate them but we have the money to give them free health-care, housing and food is RIDICULOUS!!!! Pennies on the dollar, my friend. And don't think for one second that even if employers try to go about it the right way, illegals haven't figured out a way around that. It's called Identity Theft. On a side-note, good thing that theres nothing stating in the U.S. Constitution that the government will protect each state within the union from an invasion. Otherwise we might have a legit law-suit towards them......wait, it IS there, and they've labeled those invading AZ "non-hostile". Haha! Go ask the Krentz' family how "non-hostile" they are.

 

Nobody said to "roll over" Im saying it does no good if you dont have anything in place to slow them down from coming and continuing to come back. AGAIN, I never said we dont have money to incarcerate them, what I did say is that "we dont have the money period". You might as well of called this bill the "revolving door" because thats all that its going to do with AGAIN "The way things stand". Right now, you are paying for there free health care, housing and food and you can add the 60+ dollars a day it costs to house them in jail cause they keep returning. Thats a lot of pennies!

 

[Ringer]

The bill is already successful. It has kicked the discussion up nationally and politicians know they must address border security as well as illegal immigration. If we can get the control of the house in november we should see true border enforcement as in fence, national guard and if we are lucky a clarification of the 14th amendment regarding anchor babies. The people of America are fed up with the political pandering to the open borders crowd and this bill has brought that into focus. I also talked to a few hispanics in my industrial park and they tell me illegals are moving to California, NM and back home to Mexico from AZ so it is definitely working.

[TLH]

News channel 3 stated that it costs 10 Billion and yes that is Billion with B in California each year to take care of the illegals they have there. And in California illegals can be many different types of illegals not just Mexicans. 10 Billion!! Holy crap how many border patrol can we hire for that each year?? How many teachers could we hire?? How many people can we put to work with that money?? 10 Billion is costing 10 times that by the time you understand the repercussions.

 

I would be very interested to hear what the amount is here in AZ--

[Snapshot]

News channel 3 stated that it costs 10 Billion and yes that is Billion with B in California each year to take care of the illegals they have there. And in California illegals can be many different types of illegals not just Mexicans. 10 Billion!! Holy crap how many border patrol can we hire for that each year?? How many teachers could we hire?? How many people can we put to work with that money?? 10 Billion is costing 10 times that by the time you understand the repercussions.

 

I would be very interested to hear what the amount is here in AZ--

 

Terry,

 

I am not sure about the costs in AZ. But I read somehwere that the average cost to the taxpayer is approx $45K per illegal.

These costs include everything from trying to catch them, to the tax loss and everything in between. Considering AZ has approx 450,000 illegals............?

 

Here are some interesting statistics I got from the internet.

 

DARK SIDE of ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION YEARLY COSTS

 

45,008 illegal aliens from countries on the U.S. list of state-sponsors of terror or from countries that protected terrorist organizations and their members were released into the general public between 2001 and 2005 despite the fact that DHS couldn't confirm their identity. Ultimate costs are unknown. Remember 9/11? ?

 

The Border Patrol arrested 39,215 "other-than-Mexicans," along the Southwest border. In 2004, the number jumped to 65,814. DHS admits they only catch an estimated 1/3 of the border crossers. Ultimate collateral damage costs of the ones not caught are unknown. ?

 

Some sources say that bin Laden purchased several suitcase nukes from the Chechen rebels in 1996. Allegedly several of these weapons have been forward deployed to the US in preparation for al Qaeda's next attack on American soil. Ultimate costs are unknown. ?

 

According to two trainers at an anti-terrorism conference, preparations are well underway in Islamic terrorist camps for attacks on American schools that will bring "rivers of blood and staggering body counts." Ultimate costs are unknown. ?

Illegal aliens are enormously involved identity fraud. Costs are unknown. ?

 

Illegal aliens are involved in a plethora of other criminal activities including such crimes involving methamphetamine, cocaine, home invasion, auto insurance fraud, life insurance fraud, food stamp fraud, mortgage fraud, auto theft, drug trafficking, prostitution, and counterfeiting documents. Costs are unknown. ?

 

At the end of 2003, approximately 267,000 illegal aliens were incarcerated in U.S. correctional facilities. $6.8B

Mac Johnson estimates that illegal aliens murder between 1,806 and 2,510 people in the U.S. annually, an average of 2,158 murders. (Representative King states illegal aliens are responsible for 4,380 murders) $8.4 B

 

According to FBI Estimates on Number of Arrests in 2005 in the United States and applying a straight 5% of population representation, illegal aliens would have committed 704,709 crimes in 2005. Based on an average of $25,000 per crime, the costs would be $17.6 billion. Some estimates have their involvement much higher. $17.6B

 

Based on a GAO report of 55,322 illegal aliens incarcerated in federal, state, and local facilities during 2003 and extrapolating the average number of offenses out across all 267,000 incarcerated illegal alien criminals results in some 1,288,619 crimes! Based on an average of $25,000 per crime, the costs would be $32.2 billion. Another estimated 240,000 criminal illegal aliens are not incarcerated. $32.2B

 

Professor David Anderson reports that the net annual burdened costs of crime, in 2006 dollars that would be $1.62 TRILLION. A 5% illegal alien participation would be $81 BILLION. Some studies indicate the participation of illegal aliens is much higher than representation. $81B

 

80,000 to 100,000 illegal aliens who have been convicted of serious crimes still walk the streets. As previously noted, based on studies, those illegal alien criminal will commit 13 offenses each. Total costs are unknown. ?

 

An estimated 2,258,550 pounds of cocaine made it through the southern border with an estimated street value conservatively estimated $72.2 BILLION. Resulting costs of the associated crime is unknown. Assume 50% is paid for through crime. $36.1B

There are currently over 400,000 unaccounted for illegal alien criminals with outstanding deportation orders. Those are just the ones apprehended. At least one fourth of these are hard core criminals. Resulting costs are unknown. ?

 

Researcher Deborah Schurman-Kauflin Ph.D. of the Violent Crimes Institute, reports that the illegal alien population includes 240,000 sex offenders – a "conservative estimate." Based on studies, they will commit 130,909 sex crimes annually. Using $50,000 as the average total economic impact, resulting costs are: $6.5B

 

63% of the sexual crimes, 82,473 victims, were committed by previously deported perverts who returned to commit the crime. Using $50,000 as the average total economic impact, this would be $4.1 BILLION - more than the cost of a proper border fence along the southern border. . $4.1B

 

Operation Predator resulted in 6,085 child predator arrests. Some pedophile statistics report that each pedophile molests average of 148 children. If so, that could be as many as 900,580 victims. Resulting costs are unknown. ?

Gangs Or Us estimates that MS-13 has over 15,000 members and associates in at least 115 different cliques in 33 states, and these numbers are continually increasing. .Resulting costs are unknown. ?

 

In one report, mostly illegal alien Hispanics were involved in 25% of the fatal traffic accidents, an astounding 5 times as much participation as representation. In those accidents, 75% of the drivers had no auto insurance, nearly all of the vehicles driven by migrants were registered to other drivers, and 93% of the vehicles had false out-of-state tags. Resulting costs are unknown. ?

 

Illegal aliens are often involved in DWIs at a rate that is 3-6 times greater than their representation in the population. Resulting costs are unknown. ?

 

At a 5% representation, illegal aliens are responsible for 844 alcohol related fatalities. Data suggests their participation is actually far higher. (Rep.King states that illegal aliens were responsible for 4,745 alcohol related fatalities. If so, that would 5.6 times as many deaths as representation.) Resulting costs are unknown. ?

 

Based on NHTSA data and a 5% participation rate, illegal are responsible for 309,050 accidents, 2,132 deaths, 139,400 injuries, and a cost of $11.5 billion. Data suggest their involvement is much higher, maybe 3-5 times higher. $11.5B

Half of all children born to Hispanic Americans in 2002 were illegitimate, twice the rate for American whites and 42 percent higher than the overall American rate. Rates are suspected of being even higher for Hispanic illegal aliens. Resulting costs are unknown. ?

 

There are an estimated 5.1 million ESL students in the USA. If 90% of the ESL students are children of illegal aliens then the education costs for children of illegal aliens is about $34.5 billion per year. $34.5B

Many illegal aliens are carrying horrific third world diseases. In the 40 years prior to 2002, there were only 900 total cases of leprosy in the US. In the following three years there have been 9,000 cases. TB is epidemic in many illegal alien communities and a new Multiple-Drug-Resistant (MDR) TB is spreading. Each person infected with TB will infect 10 others. Treating a single case of MDR TB costs between $250,000 and $1,200,000 per person. Resulting costs are unknown. ?

 

Between March 2000 and March 2005, only 9 percent of the net increase in jobs for adults went to people born in the US but natives accounted for 61 percent of the net increase in the overall size of the 18- to 64-year-old population. The jobs were taken mostly by illegal aliens, displacing native born Americans. Resulting costs are unknown. ?

 

The National Academy of Science reported that from 1980 to 1995 there was a 44% of the decline in the real wages of high school dropouts as a result of immigration. This affects Black and Hispanics Americans the greatest and is a great contributor to the high unemployment rate in this segment of the population. Resulting costs are unknown. ?

 

Harvard Professor George Borjas has reported that illegal aliens displaced American workers at a cost in excess of $133 billion dollars in 2005. $133B

 

The Wall Street investment firm Bear Stearns states we are losing $35 billion a year in income tax collections from jobs that are now off the books. $35B

 

National Academy of Sciences study estimated that immigration's net benefit to the American economy is only $10 billion. This item is included to illustrate one of the very few real economic benefits of tolerating illegal aliens. Most of the other benefits of illegal aliens "doing the work that Americans won't" at lower wages goes into the pockets of their employers. -$10B

 

A Rice University study calculated that in 2006 the net annual cost of legal and illegal immigration will add up to $108 billion. Illegal immigration is about half the total. $54B

 

The population of the USA recently crossed the 300,000,000. At the present growth rate, it will hit 400 million as early as 2029 and about 500 million in 2050. And if things don't change real fast, maybe even a Billion by 2075. Additional infrastructure costs will be in the TRILLIONS. ?

 

Immigration will account for 96 percent of the future increase in the school-age population over the next 50 years. Cost to the infrastructure is unknown. ?

 

A recent report notes that illegals sent and estimated $45 Billion south in 2006, which was up from an estimated $30 Billion in 2004. That money leaving the economy does not produce secondary jobs here. Using a 2:1 money multiplier, that is $90 billion removed from the American economy. $90B

 

A Census Bureau study estimates that households headed by illegal aliens used $10 billion more in government services than they paid in taxes in 2002. These figures are only for the federal government; costs at the state and local level are also significant. The study also finds that if illegal aliens were given amnesty, the fiscal deficit at the federal level would grow by nearly $29 billion. $10-29B

 

Jonathan Weisman of the Washington Post states "The Senates embattled immigration bill would raise government spending by as much as $126 billion over the next decade

 

 

 

While some of the costs summarized above are subsets, e.g. cost of the murders as part of the cost of crime, as you can see the economic costs of tolerating illegal immigration is quite considerable. You are paying for it in terms of higher taxes, insurance premiums, et cetera. Some estimates place the net costs of each illegal alien in the country at $50,000 – $100,000. (FYI: 12,000,000 X $50,000 = $600,000,000,000) When the all the indirect costs are factored in, it is probably even higher. In any case, it is a cost that YOU are paying for.

 

Even saving ten cents on a head of lettuce, how much lettuce would that buy?

 

Regardless,

 

What price do you put on each American who has been molested, raped, killed, or murdered by an illegal alien?

[Non-Typical Solutions]

News channel 3 stated that it costs 10 Billion and yes that is Billion with B in California each year to take care of the illegals they have there. And in California illegals can be many different types of illegals not just Mexicans. 10 Billion!! Holy crap how many border patrol can we hire for that each year?? How many teachers could we hire?? How many people can we put to work with that money?? 10 Billion is costing 10 times that by the time you understand the repercussions.

 

I would be very interested to hear what the amount is here in AZ--

 

Not sure if you heard this clip but Arnold in California seems to think it is funny, here is one of his quotes.

 

"I was also going to give a graduation speech in Arizona this weekend. But with my accent, I was afraid they would try to deport me," the Republican governor joked in his speech at Emory University.

 

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20004676-503544.html

 

Arnold, if you would wake up, this is no joke......and it ain't funny.....

[cactusjack]

The people who should be the maddest about this bill are all the Law Enforcement Officers who are being "Profiled" as racists. People seem to forget that many of our officers are brown, black, ...... Are they out to get the Brown Man? Or are they good officers/citizens looking to enforce the law and then go home to their family. Just sayin.

[Tines]

News channel 3 stated that it costs 10 Billion and yes that is Billion with B in California each year to take care of the illegals they have there. And in California illegals can be many different types of illegals not just Mexicans. 10 Billion!! Holy crap how many border patrol can we hire for that each year?? How many teachers could we hire?? How many people can we put to work with that money?? 10 Billion is costing 10 times that by the time you understand the repercussions.

 

I would be very interested to hear what the amount is here in AZ--

 

Not sure if you heard this clip but Arnold in California seems to think it is funny, here is one of his quotes.

 

"I was also going to give a graduation speech in Arizona this weekend. But with my accent, I was afraid they would try to deport me," the Republican governor joked in his speech at Emory University.

 

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20004676-503544.html

 

Arnold, if you would wake up, this is no joke......and it ain't funny.....

 

Seriously, as if voting Arnold in as Governor wasn't a joke already!

 

[Guest Bandido]

Fox News report says UDAs take up to $2.7 BILLION worth of education, health care, etc. That's a lot of money!

[azslim]

you forgot to point out that the $2.7 billion was here in Az right now at this point in time.......

 

When schools are facing cuts, when medical programs are facing cuts, when the unemployment line is getting longer and longer, and when all of us supporting the bill are racists because we think our taxes should support OUR citizens.

[elkaholic]

hello - we need a huge tent city - and bus them out to pick-up all the trash they leave behind - before WALKING them back to the border !!

[Broken Wheels]

"Am I crazy, or am I the only one that heard when the legislators said that 'we just took United States immigration law and adapted it to our state?"' Jackson responded.

 

When the reporter suggested that Arizona had usurped federal law, Jackson corrected him. "It's not usurping, they just copied it, is what they said they did, the legislators. Then they give it some teeth to be able to enforce it."

 

This was copied from a news clipping after the Suns/Lakers game last night from a conversation they had with the coach of the Lakers. I may not like everything about Phil Jackson but when he responds like this to this issue you have to respect the man for calling it like he sees it! Props to him for not caving in to a popularity contest or what he called the craziness of NOT LISTENING to what the Arizona legislators said and did! Finally, something positive from a very public, popular person such as the world champion Lakers!

 

Side note: OUCH they spanked our Suns pretty hard last night!

 

[wetmule]

With all the talk of AZ bashing & Boycotting & that we're all racists and hate mongers here in AZ -- I find it interesting that California has a law already on their books that is more punitive to illegals than the one just passed in AZ. I also find it interesting that the media has said not word one about it. Read it for yourselves, it's California Penal Code 834-B!!!

 

http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/834b.html

 

and a little more detailed definition of the CA law

 

http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/PE...4-115-834b.html