10% cap coming back to AZ tags

[wklman]

did you guys see the AZ game and fish sight today? It looks like there seriously gonna try to bring back the cap on nonresident permits. they are also talking about puttin' the cap on a lot of the other game tags not just the elk and kiabab deer. sounds like a big step in the right direction.

[BowhuntCoues]

Maybe if I'm lucky I'll draw a tag someday. I'm tired of only drawing the unit 7 late Jackrabbit hunt in December. We will need to attend some of those meeting on that.

[ultramag]

i love it ,and i think it the whole state for every animal including javalina,and they want eveyone to buy a hunting lisense,this is good news if it does not get watered down

[Diamondbackaz]

10% cap on each hunt number for all deer. That is cool. I will have to write USO a thank you letter for getting this all going.

[az4life]

This is a direct result of the US district court ruling in Wyoming last year. Also the Harry Reid Senate bill coi-sponsored by John McLame from AZ. I heard about the re-instituting the cap a while ago and they said it would almost certainly be in place by next years draw.

 

The AGFD wanted to keep the cap all along but USO had some better shister lawyers!

Lawyers... I think thye are a lot like Anti virus software companies. In one room they are making the viruses, and in another, they are making the anti-virus. They Got us coming and going!

[111]

This is great news we are all estatic about this, what's up lurker.

[Rembrant]

I could have this all wrong, but what I think happened was USO was headed to pull the same krap in Nevada that they pulled in Arizona, and Senator Reid saw them coming and headed them off at the pass. Reid and a few other senators fought the unconstitutionality of a 10% big game limit (deemed so by the 9th circus court in San Francisco) with a "states rights" bill that protects individual states' game departments - so they can call their own shots. This will apply to every state in the Union.

Thank goodness that someone with power and fortitude stood up to keep the jerks from USO and the clowns in San Francisco from running our state game departments into the ground.

As a reminder: game departments are state agencies and are subject to follow state and federal laws and regulations. It is not their job to be politically active. The 10% fiasco was a result of USO being extremely greedy and having enough smarts to take the issue to the 9th district court, where those liberal Frisco judges, who wouldn't know an elk from a mule, and who, like other high courts in this nation, love to overstep there job as interpreters of the constitution, and legislate laws instead.

The legislating of laws is ment to be done by the legislators - like senator Reid.

Looks like Reid got 'er figured and got 'er done.

Liberal judges could be the downfall of this nation. USO should be hung from their gonads for what they pulled.

Mike

[.270]

far be it from me to give uso any credit for anything good, but in the long run, we're gonna be better off because of this lawsuit. that is if we can get some commissioners with some nuts and if we can get rid of shroufe and his toadies. uso pretty much united the residents of all states, especially Az. and nevada. there has never been a time that all the different organizations all fought for the same thing. and fought hard. before this, it seemed like they all fought for their own reasons and not for the big picture. now everyone sees how much they can do as one, maybe this will be a real good deal for everyone. it dang sure can be. but now all the different groups need to get together and get some folks on this commission who are outdoorsmen and who have reasons other than political motivation for being on the commission. it looks like uso is whupped. now is the time to beat on the folks that really need beat on. the jokers that run this state. the reid bill allows the states to make their own decisions. with no outside influence. no lawyers. no whiny nonresidents. this state can do what it knows is best, if we can get some commissioners who will use the sound data that the azgfd collects and who will run shroufe and his sucklings outta town and get a guy that really and truly wants to improve things here. that's my take. Lark.

[DEERSLAM]

Not all of use nonresidents are whiny. I think USO was wrong and I never really had a problem with the 10% (I actually drew an antelope tag before all this happened). Remember though that nonresident are paying a large percentage of the fees that support your state game dept. I pulled these numbers from the new American Hunter magazine. In Colorado 2002: resident hunters paid $8,860,848 for 387,879 tags and licenses while nonresidents anted up $43,298,084 for 160,132 licenses and tags. Montana who has a 10% cap sold 819,506 licenses and tags, 15 times more than sold to nonresidents, to residents for $6,021,875 while nonresidents spent $17,856,562. In Idaho residents bought 720,243 licenses and tags for $7,990,156 while nonresidents hunters bought 92,366 licenses and tags for $12,873,953. Wyoming residents bought 165,454 licenses and tags for $4,258,947 while nonresidents bought 75,434 licenses and tags for $15,242,063. Unfortunately there were no numbers for AZ. Now I'm not trying to get you AZ. residents all riled up I understand where you are coming from but please don't group all nonresidents together as outsiders and whiners. I had friends (nonresidents) hunt in AZ last year and they were given a bad time by AZ residents while hunting. I hope we are all above this. Peace to you all and I hope I am not offending anyone, I'm surely not trying to do so.

[BASS]

I might have to remove my piss on uso sticker if all this goes right. who'd a thunk it!

[KGAINES]

Bass, keep the sticker, they just pushed people the wrong way and forced the right response. I hope they go out of business because of this.

[.270]

no, the stickers gotta stay. just for a reminder if nothin' else. and deerslam. i didn't say all nonresidents were whiners. but a bunch of em are. one guy i read a little about was from like indiana or some dang foreign place. anyway he was callin' Az. unfair and all kindsa stuff. when the state he lived in allowed "NO" nonresidents on public land. only way a nonres could hunt there was on private property. as far as the $'s you talked about, it doesn't even compare to the billions that residents spend in their states each year just in taxes. permit fees don't even begin to pay all the bills of the Az. game and fish. they're subsidized by taxes just like everything else. outside of federal income tax and social security, every dime i spent last year was in Az. and it's been that way for over half a century. i have absolutely "NO" problems with nonresidents hunting in our state. i hunt other states all the time. i think everyone should hunt. but they gotta play by the rules that we decide on. they should have absolutely no say in how another state does things. i have no say in other state's decisions either. when i go outta state, i play by their rules. i think Az. keeping nonresident permits to 10% is very reasonable. we have a lot of hunters here ourselves, and need more. in order for this way of life to survive we need more and more folks to like it. and they need to know they have a chance of getting a tag every once in awhile in their home state. anyway, i'm starting to ramble. uso ain't dead. i'm sure they are behind the landowner tag push that is going on. that's why i look at the sfw with a jaundiced eye. are they in bed with taulman too? seems like every state they've ever wedged theirselves into has ultimately had a bad experience with them. i know allen taylor seems to feel they may be ok, and just for that reason i haven't passed judgement yet. he's pretty sharp on things and i value his opinions, but i still can't condone em. not yet anyway. anyway, looks like maybe this first snake got it's head cut off. but this sob is like a hydra, he has lotsa heads. and he has lawyers who want his money. as long as there is money to be had and lawyers to have it, we have to be vigilant. Lark.

[az4life]

I agree with Lark on this point. USO still sucks, and I really hoep they have suffered or will suffere due to thier greed.

On the other hand, the new law and court ruling has made us go through some pain to a couple of years. Sort of a "Gut ChecK" so we should thank USO for being so Greedy and waking us p.

 

What doesn't kill you will make you stronger. That still doesn't mean you have to embrace it!

[DanM-AZ]

I don't agree with extending the 10% nonresident cap to the common deer hunts and javelina tags. If that passes, my out-of-state brothers, uncles, and cousins will have a real tough time getting a tag. What's finer than sharing this great state with family through hunting?

 

DanM

[azpackhorse]

It would be interesting to see exactly how many tags from the nonrestricted hunts actually go to nonresidents, if I am not mistaken I believe that the percentage of most of them is already below 10%. And for javelina I really don't think that a 10% cap will make any difference in residents drawing a tag or not. I support the 10% cap for all draws, it will more than likely be needed in the future so might as well get folks used to it now.

I put in for nonresident hunts in other states and realize that the residents of those states will have first shot and am fine with that. After all it is their state and they are the ones that take care of it and put all the work into the natural resources just as we do here in Arizona.