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[WHT_MTNMAN]

How hard is it to get a CDL and how long does it take?

 

The hardest part is finding someone who will let you drive their rig, if that is taken care of you can get a CDL in a few days at most if you devote the time.

 

Some companies do all the training for your CDL and have classes and vehicles at their disposal.

[catclaw]

Kent- when I got hired here, I was guiding an elk hunt in 27. I had the company email me an app and went home for a day and filled it out- my wife FAXed it in and i got a phone call the next day offering me a job. I drove home from Alpine and started Sept 29th. A month later I was promoted to supervisor. Pretty painless if you ask me. I had a CDL but no P endorsement. I went and paid a guy $75 and got my endorsement. No biggie.

 

We are vetting people a little more closely this time so that we don't get so many folks who can't pass backgrounds, are lazy or just plain dumb. We lost about 6 people to back grounds and I had to let one guy go yesterday and one quit last week. People don't want to pass on a job that pays this good right now.

 

I just thought I would throw this bone out there to those folks who have common interests with me and might possibly be good employees. So far I have about 6 from here that will PROBABLY be hired. How is that for odds?

 

I need resumes for anyone else interested by COB today. Email me for a FAX number.

 

Thanks

 

Dennis

 

dwslade@gmail.com

[krp]

If you hire 6 or any, non ex or current. TO, DO, BP, LE, Military. Just someone with a CDL and clean record, I assume that's your resume? I'll apologize to you and say you are the only company to put out general hiring guidelines and not have an underlying agenda of pulling the competitions employees away with no intention of hiring any general public.

 

I hope I'm wrong, I've been through these proccesses and your's will be the first to hire unknown general public, purely off resumes, it would be refreshing.

 

Kent

[billrquimby]

Kent- when I got hired here, I was guiding an elk hunt in 27. I had the company email me an app and went home for a day and filled it out- my wife FAXed it in and i got a phone call the next day offering me a job. I drove home from Alpine and started Sept 29th. A month later I was promoted to supervisor. Pretty painless if you ask me. I had a CDL but no P endorsement. I went and paid a guy $75 and got my endorsement. No biggie.

 

We are vetting people a little more closely this time so that we don't get so many folks who can't pass backgrounds, are lazy or just plain dumb. We lost about 6 people to back grounds and I had to let one guy go yesterday and one quit last week. People don't want to pass on a job that pays this good right now.

 

I just thought I would throw this bone out there to those folks who have common interests with me and might possibly be good employees. So far I have about 6 from here that will PROBABLY be hired. How is that for odds?

 

I need resumes for anyone else interested by COB today. Email me for a FAX number.

 

Thanks

 

Dennis

 

dwslade@gmail.com

 

When I told my son-in-law about your post, he said that the government would not hire anyone over 35, or some such age, when wearing a sidearm is involved. Is that true? He's 51 years old.

 

Bill Quimby

 

[AZLance]

Not True! BP still hires up to age 40.

[azcoueshuntr]

catclaw thats not what im saying ive been with in corrections for 18 years and there is no back ground check that will go thru in a 24hr period so what im sayn is if they offer you a job and 3 months later they fire you cause you dint pass the back ground check which is what your company is doing then your screwed out of the job that u just quite to join this place. so if you dont know if you can pass a background check then dont leave your other job till ur sure they have cleared there background check currently your union is fighting there hiring process.

[bradne]

As one that works for BP and has been involved in the hiring process (on both sides), let me point out a couple of items.

 

From what it appears, the job offer that is being talked about here is NOT a govt. job. It is working for a contractor. This means that the agency (DHS) has given the company the contract to transport detainees to various locations. The contractor is reposnsible for meeting certain hiring guidlines such as Equal Opportunity, fair wages etc... which are set by law. The employee is not considered a civil servant and thus does not qualify for any federal retirement or other benefits, this may be provided by the employer (contractor) if they desire (just like any other civilian employer). Many of the people on this board are in the construction industry etc..., this is just like working for a contractor building a govt building or some other govt project, you are not a govt employee and the hiring process is simply through the contractor.

 

When I told my son-in-law about your post, he said that the government would not hire anyone over 35, or some such age, when wearing a sidearm is involved. Is that true? He's 51 years old.

 

This is (to a point) true. Federal Law enforcement officers (and federal fire fighters) have mandatory retirement at age 57 (federal law) in order to have the minimum 20 years to retire, you must have been hired before you turn 37. It should be noted that not everyone in the federal govt wearing a firearm is considered a law enforcement officer, however BP is. Of course this is not applicable here since the job in question is not a govt job and the mandatory age does not apply.

 

Not True! BP still hires up to age 40.

 

Also partialy true. A couple of years ago, BP recieved congressional permission to temporarily grant age waivers to applicants in order to bolster the ranks. The specific purpose of this was to target the military personnel that were retiring after 20 years of military service. Since the minimum age a person could have to retire from the military was 38 (after entering service at 18), they were ineligable to enter federal law enforcement. (see above). Retired military were obviously very attractive to BP since they were more mature, had some life expericence and were in good physical condition. This was target for military personnel but other applicants up to 40 were accepted during that time. All of this was temporary since the BP met the hiring push and although still hiring at this time they are not accepting any new applications right now since there is a huge backlog. I imagine that the age waiver will be repealed pretty soon, if not already.

[catclaw]

Kent- when I got hired here, I was guiding an elk hunt in 27. I had the company email me an app and went home for a day and filled it out- my wife FAXed it in and i got a phone call the next day offering me a job. I drove home from Alpine and started Sept 29th. A month later I was promoted to supervisor. Pretty painless if you ask me. I had a CDL but no P endorsement. I went and paid a guy $75 and got my endorsement. No biggie.

 

We are vetting people a little more closely this time so that we don't get so many folks who can't pass backgrounds, are lazy or just plain dumb. We lost about 6 people to back grounds and I had to let one guy go yesterday and one quit last week. People don't want to pass on a job that pays this good right now.

 

I just thought I would throw this bone out there to those folks who have common interests with me and might possibly be good employees. So far I have about 6 from here that will PROBABLY be hired. How is that for odds?

 

I need resumes for anyone else interested by COB today. Email me for a FAX number.

 

Thanks

 

Dennis

 

dwslade@gmail.com

 

When I told my son-in-law about your post, he said that the government would not hire anyone over 35, or some such age, when wearing a sidearm is involved. Is that true? He's 51 years old.

 

Bill Quimby

 

 

That is not even close to true. First off, to be hired as an 1811 (investigator ie. DEA agent, FBI agent et al) you can't have reached your 40th birthday. Same might be true of 1801s (armed federal officer- not investigators) but I am not sure on that.

 

We are a PRIVATE contractor- we hired some 65 year folks that really have no business with guns but the discrimination laws are in their favor and we have no choice.

 

He should have applied!!

[catclaw]

catclaw thats not what im saying ive been with in corrections for 18 years and there is no back ground check that will go thru in a 24hr period so what im sayn is if they offer you a job and 3 months later they fire you cause you dint pass the back ground check which is what your company is doing then your screwed out of the job that u just quite to join this place. so if you dont know if you can pass a background check then dont leave your other job till ur sure they have cleared there background check currently your union is fighting there hiring process.

 

 

 

You are absolutely correct in this. You should not quit your job if you have any criminal background or bad credit. We have already started submitting backgrounds on people that are not even hired. We want this to be a painless as possible.

 

There were some real stupid people that quit their school bus driving jobs ($13/hours) to take this job ($24/hour) that had issues. There are about 4 of them that are now unemployed but since they basically lied on their paperwork. I don't feel the least bit sorry for them!

 

 

To clarify a couple of things: since you have to work on a Federal facility- they run a Federal background check on you- a very thorough one through the OPM.

 

They have not recinded the 40 year-old-waver at this time. They have raised it twice now. Don't see them changing it back myself.

[krp]

I guess it's cool to throw a bone to the desperate currs in the back yard and I knew there was a string attached to yank it back. Wanted you to say it.

 

Truth in advertising, uhh credit score? I knew this and know you left it out. Did you leave it out for the four bus drivers you don't feel sorry for, I'm sure they were felons working for the school system. I guess everyone just knows background checks highly relate to credit scores. Maybe a minimum score needed would be appropiate in the ad.

 

I guess you don't feel sorry for almost every construction worker that got caught in this housing mess and had their truck, toyhauler, quads, even house reposessed and now have no credit and can't get goverment or goverment contract sponsored jobs because of it. Personally all my stuff is paid for, no bills and I can survive on little. Not the case for 90% of those that sweated and worked hard to build the house most live in and used that skill to supply a life and living for their families. All gone now, with their credit.

 

Quite a bit more restrictive than your original post. And of course you weren't really targeting experience goverment workers without coming straight out and saying it.

 

Maybe I'm the only one thinking there shouldn't be any misrepresentation in this stressful job climate, especially on a site like this. The only way I can keep my mouth shut is stay away so that's it. Done

 

Kent

 

 

 

 

[catclaw]

Kent- you misunderstood- your credit score is meaningless- you can't have over $7500 in outstanding debt (I think that is the cut off) Meaning that if you defaulted on a loan(s) and are behind- it can't be more than a certain amount.

 

You just can't admit you are wrong can you? There are quite a number of folks who had bankruptcies and bad debt that were hired. Most had to catch up on a couple of loans and they were fine- the bus drivers of which I speak were all hired at the same time as me and they were told they had to have good credit. They were told if they wanted to take a chance and write a hardship letter they could. Some did and I think they let them slip. The ones that were let go all had felonies or recent misdemeanors or domestic violence convictions. Nobody was mislead- in fact, they were told repeatedly that if they had any of these issues they would not pass the background check. It was their call. Some were so desperate for work that they just lied on their apps and worked until it caught up with them. They got paid to go to training and then were no longer allowed on the Federal Property.

 

 

You should really let this go- I am sorry that you don't qualify and didn't want a job- those 6+ that did get one from here are grateful that I posted it. I wanted to see if I could attract some like-minded souls to this job and I succeeded- I didn't mislead anyone. They called me or emailed me for more details. I refused to take apps from quite a few people because they didn't qualify. Several were brothers of folks that post on here regularly and were told about the opening by someone that read it here.

 

 

 

This thread is dead until I report back with how many we hired.

[krp]

I'll wait to admit I'm wrong. I put out questions of your motives and you skirt them, I point out the credit deal when you admitted it and now it's no big deal, just don't be behind on your bills. The bus drivers were stupid first but now desperate and tried the hardship case deal but didn't pass so F them. They were felons working for the school system, right. You are kind enough to throw a bone to your fellow hunters here, how charitable. So people are stupid and desperate for the bones you toss, who feels sorry for them. I do.

 

I qualify for everything but age for BP and at my age I smell BS a mile off. I just didn't want someone thinking if they spend their last grocery money they could go get their CDL and get an, easiest job in the world. You could have then said they were stupid and desperate and didn't feel sorry they spent their kids food money, be better if they went in the street and died, how stupid of them, being desperate and such.

 

You skirted the noncivilian as the true target and if you were just some guide that happened to have a CDL and no experience in any related field, worked hard for a few months and became a superviser in a few months, you must just recently have passed your federal background check.

 

Your original add reads like a fairytail until I push the issue.

 

This may seem harsh treatment but good intentions that cut deep can kill. Don't skirt the truth and play with people's emotions and desperations.

 

And yes I'm for sure done with this thread and this site, carry on.

 

Kent

 

 

 

 

[stanley]

I'll wait to admit I'm wrong. I put out questions of your motives and you skirt them, I point out the credit deal when you admitted it and now it's no big deal, just don't be behind on your bills. The bus drivers were stupid first but now desperate and tried the hardship case deal but didn't pass so F them. They were felons working for the school system, right. You are kind enough to throw a bone to your fellow hunters here, how charitable. So people are stupid and desperate for the bones you toss, who feels sorry for them. I do.

 

I qualify for everything but age for BP and at my age I smell BS a mile off. I just didn't want someone thinking if they spend their last grocery money they could go get their CDL and get an, easiest job in the world. You could have then said they were stupid and desperate and didn't feel sorry they spent their kids food money, be better if they went in the street and died, how stupid of them, being desperate and such.

 

You skirted the noncivilian as the true target and if you were just some guide that happened to have a CDL and no experience in any related field, worked hard for a few months and became a superviser in a few months, you must just recently have passed your federal background check.

 

Your original add reads like a fairytail until I push the issue.

 

This may seem harsh treatment but good intentions that cut deep can kill. Don't skirt the truth and play with people's emotions and desperations.

 

And yes I'm for sure done with this thread and this site, carry on.

 

Kent

 

Cool for Catclaw to post this, and cool of Amanda for letting him.....

 

Kent, from an outsider's perspective, I guess I don't see where you're coming from? Doesn't seem like his original post readsy like a 'fairytale' (unless it's been edited.... ). Dangle a carrot?? Seems like a strait forward job opening anouncement, IMO. Yes, it's too bad that an out of work construction worker might not qualify. Too bad for an out of work computer programmer to, and an out of work teacher, etc. etc...

 

Catclaw, thanks for posting this.

 

Kent, sincere good luck to you to.

 

S.

[Non-Typical Solutions]

I appreciate it getting posted, if you are out of work it is nice to have something different pop up, it is at least worth the try.

We have all filled out job applications that you felt like you were pissing in the wind, but it is kind of like the old saying, you can't win if you don't play.........