I propose a new scoring system!

[Coues Archer]

Great topic for a great opinion!!!! Completely 100% true.

[Coues 'n' Sheep]

yeah, i agree b/c the purpose of a scoring system is to put the hunter up on a pedestal and the reason i hunt is to be alone............ hmmmm.

 

the scoring systems are in place for the animal and the reason i hunt is to spend time in the field with friends and family with my tag or any of theirs.....

 

i hope my brothers and son never help me on my next "trophy" tag my 134" pig wouldn't make book anymore!!!!

 

 

Well put. +1

 

[AZantlerhead]

Yes, use of radios can disqualify entry into B&C recordbook.

 

Here is the statement regarding elecontronic gear. If you use any of these things, then it's considered ineligible for entry.

 

III. Use of electronic communication devices to guide hunters to game, artificial lighting, electronic light intensifying devices (night vision optics), sights with built-in electronic range-finding capabilities, thermal imaging equipment, electronic game calls or cameras/timers/motion tracking devices that transmit images and other information to the hunter;

 

 

 

hmmmm......interesting......

 

 

Yes it is. Boy, wonder how many guided top trophies are really inelligable and should be thrown out???

 

[CouesWhitetail]

Yes, use of radios can disqualify entry into B&C recordbook.

 

Here is the statement regarding elecontronic gear. If you use any of these things, then it's considered ineligible for entry.

 

III. Use of electronic communication devices to guide hunters to game, artificial lighting, electronic light intensifying devices (night vision optics), sights with built-in electronic range-finding capabilities, thermal imaging equipment, electronic game calls or cameras/timers/motion tracking devices that transmit images and other information to the hunter;

 

 

 

hmmmm......interesting......

 

 

Yes it is. Boy, wonder how many guided top trophies are really inelligable and should be thrown out???

 

 

Hard to say how many, but I would say that guides generally know the eligibility requirements and try to make sure clients are following them. It's regular hunters that are more likely to be unaware of this rule.

 

Amanda

 

 

[krp]

The use of electronic devices; telephone for texting or calling, radios, ect. only disqualify if the hunter is guided to the game itself. I can sit in point A, the animal at point B, you're somewhere at point C. I can't tell you how to get to point B but can tell you to haul butt to point A where I am and then shoot or chase the animal. Could be 50 yds or 30 miles or a different state.

 

Kent

 

 

 

[DesertBull]

The scoring systems started out as a great thing, then, as man is known to do, got whored out in the quest for fame and money.

[Garage Logic]

To each their own. If someone likes hunting alone, great. If someone likes bringing people to help fill a tag, great. Who cares? I don't.. Let him/her keep their score

[Butters]

To each their own. If someone likes hunting alone, great. If someone likes bringing people to help fill a tag, great. Who cares? I don't.. Let him/her keep their score

 

+++1

[youngbuck]

I just helped packed out an elk. I was one of the extra guys in the photo. Im sure everybody in the group woulda liked to have a few more too shot was at 815 back to camp at 230ish makes me wonder how the guys alone can do it. If you can more power to ya.

[IHunt2live]

The use of Radios to me is just a question of hunting morals/ethics and I do believe that the record books treat them the right way. Heres a question thought. Say if I had a number of spotters in my unit/state helping me locate animals, they call on radio or phone (also an eltric device) saying they found my animal and I have to drive to get to that location. Is that pursuing game with a vehical, which is breacking the law? It would be difficult, maybe imposible to prosicute, but Get on a wardens bad side and he may think so.

Some of these guys do bother me in that they are just in it for the braging rights, but it is great that they raise all this money. Theres nothing wrong with trying to get a big animal but way are you realy trying? I eat my rifle tag this year just because I was trying to beat my personal best and for a new experince. But for me these guys that sit at a desk waiting for the phone call "I found your deer" then get a pigy back ride to the animal, they aren't hunters in my mind. But then there are guys that hunt with guide who hunt their buts off that I comend. Like most things in life however, your a whole lot more successful when you work as a team.

But to each his own and I wouldn't vote against the govener tags. My$.2 for what it worth.

[krp]

I don't think the issue is how many guys you have with you hunting, could be 20, as long as they are with you. It's having 20 people away from you pounding the woods looking for an animal for you to come and shoot. Causes a ton of issues including what effect it has on other hunters and their setups getting busted by scouters with no tag during the hunt. Paid scouters or Fam/friends, it's the same problem. Sucks when you have a setup on a bull during archery and and all of a sudden it gets busted by someone in camo walking in looking for the bugles. Opps sorry man, didn't know you were hunting, BS. Sometimes they are sneeky and you only know the bull busted and it wasn't you.

 

There's no law in Az or Utah on using electronic communication, only the ethics provision for B&C P&Y if you are so inclined. It's pretty lax, just don't guide the shooter to the animal. In the case of the spider bull the shooter went home in another state, the bounty hunters continued to comb the mountains and found the target. Called the shooter, I guess thats electronic communication, he shows up the next morning and they drive him out and he shoots the bull. So he wasn't guided to the bull with any devices. If I am sitting on an animal and communicate my location to you, you can come over to me and shoot the animal from my position, perfectly ethical, to the clubs.

 

Kent