Distance

[GameHauler]

 

this one's bound to get ugly.

 

Post #2

 

[ultramag]

I think the questions to ask is how many arrows do you "FLING" at animals before you hit one?

 

Both posts look like your trying to bait someone into a fight. I'm not interested in arguing I will just give you my opinion. Speed, gravity etc... is only a small part of the equation and is easier controlled/compensated for than buck fever or a buck jumping the string.

 

I'm not interested in getting into a debate about ethics as everyone is different and I feel that I have as much or more respect for the animals I hunt than others, but one thing I find interesting is that a lion doesn't sit there and think, "lets see if I drop off this ledge on that buck, I might not be able to effectively kill it because of that little kicker antler that is going to hinder me catching it by the throat, I guess I will have to pass until that little fawn comes along."

 

IMO a real test of ethics is not how far the shot is, because I can and have missed at under 30 yards, but ethics to me comes into play after you have made a poor shot. What do you do? Look for 5 min and then move on, do you spend time on hands and knees, do you wait a day then come back? What is it that you do? Have you ever seen a deer killed by a lion, or coyotes, a bunch less ethical than a poor shot IMO

 

For me I shoot regularly at 80+ yards

Longest kill mule deer 81 yards

closest is bull elk at 7 yards

not trying to start a fight. It just seems the realism for archery equipment is extended to the outer limits. then you have the animal factor. What do you think if the animal takes a step. what would the outcome be on a deer or elk at 30 yards compaired to 80 100 yards, well at 30 yards you could still possibly be in vitals but at 100 yards you hit the butt. I doubt that most guys that take these type shots have no idea what they are doing. they just fling the arrow and hope for the best. this is very real and completely unacceptable. some get lucky and that is all it is.

 

Still laughing at your comment on the coyote and lion comment. can the lion and coyote shoot bows do they have to buy a tag, put in for the draw, no. can they reason.

a real test of ethics IMO is do you take the chance of wounding the animal? sure you do everytime you hunt. sh!t happens but when someone asks for it by taking a shot that is questionable. a 100 yard shoot is questionable by about 95% of the archers out there even if they claim that they can do it. you are hoping for lots of luck becuase thats what it is luck.

 

Why is it all luck? because you havent done it? There is a huge element of luck in hunting in general but shooting really doesnt have to be one of those things. it seems someone calls this luck because he hasnt done it so it must not have anything to do with skill. there is always someone who has done it all and seen it all, anything they havent done must not be real.

And I will not do it. I have shoot at those distances to know better. My point is that a small percentage of archers go though the required practice to do this. others read message boards and see other people talk about this then they think they can do this as well. I know that I could kill an animal at 80 yards, I could also wound one as well. but at 50 yards the margin for error is much less. where does the skill end and luck begin?

[shanehamblin]

As far as I'm concerned skill ends when your confidence in taking the shot ends. If you've practiced enough and are confident i see no problem and i am with you that if you normally would never or never have shot at those distances then you would obviously not be confident... but like i've said practice practice practice. i have never or would never take a shot i wasn't confident in taking.

[Mr. Jonathan]

If you've ever read any of the early literature on archery, like Hill and Bear, those guys were taking ridiculous shots with traditional equipment. Hill wrote several accounts of shots at game with a long bow over a hundred yards, some kills some misses. And every time he says that it is too far for any accuracy but that was the shot he was presented with. It would seem that this ethics thing has evolved significantly from the early days of sporting archery. Ethics shift over time, and are typically subject to the emotions of the governing culture. This is one topic where people should do what is right in there own eyes.

 

I shoot out to 80 yards.

 

I prefer 50 or less.

 

My longest kill was 50.

[TwoGuns]

 

not trying to start a fight. It just seems the realism for archery equipment is extended to the outer limits. then you have the animal factor. What do you think if the animal takes a step. what would the outcome be on a deer or elk at 30 yards compaired to 80 100 yards, well at 30 yards you could still possibly be in vitals but at 100 yards you hit the butt. I doubt that most guys that take these type shots have no idea what they are doing. they just fling the arrow and hope for the best. this is very real and completely unacceptable. some get lucky and that is all it is.

 

 

a real test of ethics IMO is do you take the chance of wounding the animal? sure you do everytime you hunt. sh!t happens but when someone asks for it by taking a shot that is questionable. a 100 yard shoot is questionable by about 95% of the archers out there even if they claim that they can do it. you are hoping for lots of luck becuase thats what it is luck.

 

 

I am glad you state that you are not looking for a fight, but it does seem strange that then you would insult archers by saying they are just lucky on shots at 100 yards. Don't you think you might do a better job of not starting a fight if you didn't make insulting statements?

 

I am not looking for a fight either, just asking a question. Another question if I might...what do you feel would be a comparable distance, shooting something like a 300 Rem Ultramag? In other words, if 100 yards is too far to shoot an arrow, how far is too far to shoot a bullet?

 

Darren

[ultramag]

OK I'll say this again. 95% one more time 95% don't have any business shooting at game at those distances but they still do it. I am an archer and have been for the last 20 years. I know that even under the best circumstance you could have a bad outcome to a shot. why would you want to chance it. same thing goes for a rifle. archers can make 100 yard shots, but can they do it everytime? If not they shouldn't be doing it. I practice a lot I know my 100% yardage and I will not push that. I also know my 80% yardage and so on.

 

With that being said if your 100% yardage is 100 yards then you could probably still be good at 120 yards? is this the mentality? and if you are 80% at 120 yards would you go any further?

I hope for the animals we hunt that your skill can back up talk. I have met so called 100 yard bowshooters and have seen them shoot. they can manage to hit only a percentage of the time. not all the time.

If you are the 5% percent of the archers that can hit pop can at 100 yards good for you. you are in the small percetage that can.

[Mr. Jonathan]

I don't think I have a 100% shot range.

 

The only big game animal I've ever lost was only a 20 yard shot, and it was under ideal circumstances.

 

The reality is every shot you take involves chance.

 

Hunting in general is pitting your skills against massive uncertainty.

 

This is part of its allure, no?

[willhunt4coues]

1) 60 Yards

2) 50 Yards or less

3) 21 Yards

[shanehamblin]

ultramag you say "I know that even under the best circumstance you could have a bad outcome to a shot. why would you want to chance it?" any shot you take is a chance. things arent dying if the arrows arent flying. i would never shoot those distances if i believed i could close the distance but if i'm as close as i can get... i'm going to "chance" it.