Health Care Bill Info from congress

[az4life]

Straight from the the US legislature Floor. Congressman Mike Rogers of Michigan tells us in less than 4 minutes what this bill boils down to for the working and non working public.

You owe it to yourself to spend the time watching this and passing it on to those you know.

Then keep after your representatives and senators to do the right thing for the country.

 

[GameHauler]

You Tell Em Baby

 

Thanks for posting that

 

Lark have you anything to say

 

Have you sluged yourself in the mouth yet today Obomanites

[Jimmer Negamanee]

Here in the USA, once you’ve reached 65, you’re covered by the government (Medicare). If you’re under 65 but have no job or make so little from your job that you are considered impoverished, you’re covered by the government (Medicaid or AHCCCS). There is also government coverage for veterans and Native Americans.

 

Plus, we have universal coverage for every seriously injured or ill person who goes to the emergency room. Sure, afterwards, patients might get a sternly written letter demanding that they pay but ERs don’t say "Show me the money!" before they start tryin' to save your life. While some of these costs may be written off as losses, I suspect that those of us with health insurance pay the difference through a higher cost for services and/or higher insurance premiums.

 

But for those under 65 who have jobs that do not offer health insurance things can get pretty sticky.

 

Here’s a link to an interesting comparison of health care systems of developed countries with their life expectancies and the % of GDP they spend to get it. According to these stats, the U.S. has the lowest life expectancy (but only by a little) but pays the most (by a lot) to get it.

 

But then again, this is from the NPR website which, as a friend likes to remind me, stands for National People’s Radio. And, as you know, there are only two kinds of lies, dang lies and statistics.

 

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.p...oryId=110997469

[regge090]

k

[DesertBull]

Here in the USA, once you’ve reached 65, you’re covered by the government (Medicare). If you’re under 65 but have no job or make so little from your job that you are considered impoverished, you’re covered by the government (Medicaid or AHCCCS). There is also government coverage for veterans and Native Americans.

 

Plus, we have universal coverage for every seriously injured or ill person who goes to the emergency room. Sure, afterwards, patients might get a sternly written letter demanding that they pay but ERs don’t say "Show me the money!" before they start tryin' to save your life. While some of these costs may be written off as losses, I suspect that those of us with health insurance pay the difference through a higher cost for services and/or higher insurance premiums.

 

But for those under 65 who have jobs that do not offer health insurance things can get pretty sticky.

 

Here’s a link to an interesting comparison of health care systems of developed countries with their life expectancies and the % of GDP they spend to get it. According to these stats, the U.S. has the lowest life expectancy (but only by a little) but pays the most (by a lot) to get it.

 

But then again, this is from the NPR website which, as a friend likes to remind me, stands for National People’s Radio. And, as you know, there are only two kinds of lies, dang lies and statistics.

 

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.p...oryId=110997469

 

What they don't tell you is that they deny treatment to old people that are not "producers".

 

Name me ONE big gov't program that is a success. Just one, that is not on the verge of bankrupting this country. Then tell me why universal health coverage will be different.

 

I would rather have ZERO coverage than Gov't controlled, gov't mandated coverage of any kind.

[JMP]

Here in the USA, once you’ve reached 65, you’re covered by the government (Medicare). If you’re under 65 but have no job or make so little from your job that you are considered impoverished, you’re covered by the government (Medicaid or AHCCCS). There is also government coverage for veterans and Native Americans.

 

Plus, we have universal coverage for every seriously injured or ill person who goes to the emergency room. Sure, afterwards, patients might get a sternly written letter demanding that they pay but ERs don’t say "Show me the money!" before they start tryin' to save your life. While some of these costs may be written off as losses, I suspect that those of us with health insurance pay the difference through a higher cost for services and/or higher insurance premiums.

 

But for those under 65 who have jobs that do not offer health insurance things can get pretty sticky.

 

Here’s a link to an interesting comparison of health care systems of developed countries with their life expectancies and the % of GDP they spend to get it. According to these stats, the U.S. has the lowest life expectancy (but only by a little) but pays the most (by a lot) to get it.

 

But then again, this is from the NPR website which, as a friend likes to remind me, stands for National People’s Radio. And, as you know, there are only two kinds of lies, dang lies and statistics.

 

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.p...oryId=110997469

 

nor does this include the money people from these other countries spend in the U.S. accessing our health care system, which is, depending on which estimate, anywhere from $5-15 billion per year. so much so, that hospitals are setting up offices for consultations in foreign countries.

 

 

[Rembrant]

If those comparison stats are even true, does anyone really believe that socializing medicine will improve the stats?

Does the government effectivly and efficiently run anything? Let's see...

Social Security - bankrupt;

Medicare - bankrupt;

Amtrack - bankrupt

The national budget - bankrupt.

Hey I have a good idea! Lets let the government take over our health care system!

Give me a break.

 

Utter confusion.

Mike

[SilentButDeadly]

Name me ONE big gov't program that is a success. Just one, that is not on the verge of bankrupting this country.

 

Here is a list of things compiled a few years ago by the Brookings Institute:

 

http://www.brookings.edu/papers/2000/11governance_light.aspx

 

I'd also like to add: The National Forests, National Parks, and pretty much all other Public lands, as well as the State run Fish and Game programs, i.e. Public Hunting.

 

I'm not going to quibble about how successful you all think the National Forests are managed, or how you think Game and Fish should be managed -- the reality is that if GOVERNMENT didn't do these things for you this website would not exist. Move to Texas and hunt private ground if you think government is worthless - Texans will be the first ones to secede from the Union if the federal government implodes anyway. But you better hope that you've got the cash to use somebodyelse's land to enjoy the great outdoors, because there is no 'socialized' place for you to haul your camper!

 

Then tell me why universal health coverage will be different.

 

I think Jimmer already gave a link that shows you why universal health coverage could be different. Even in those European countries that you claim have poor public coverage and have to pay for private insurance on the side it still costs them 1/2 what we pay now. For all the fear universal coverage will crash our health care system: Doesn't that leave room for a new market? Privately run hospitals and doctors that exist outside to the public option would then pick up the slack and you could pay for your premium care there instead -- isn't that what has happened in all these European countries? Answer: NO! Because their Government run programs actually work there, just like the ones that the Brookings institute highlighted above.

 

 

As for Our Congressman Mike Rogers of Michigan: is it any surprise where his #1 and #2 congressional funding sources come from?

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/ind...type=I&mem=

This guy is a paid mouthpiece of the Insurance, Pharma, and Health Services industries (whose profits would suffer the most under a public option).

 

[DesertBull]

1. Name one Congress person that has not accepted money from the medical profession. I believe Pelosi is on the hook for nearly $200,000

 

2. LOL at people thinking the USFS is "big Gov't". the USFS and park system is a drop in the bucket compared to asking the American people to fund healthcare for not only our our citesens, but everyone that is "pretending" to be a US citizen. The Park Syatem isn't trying to control your life.

 

Look up survival rates of Candian and other socialist healthcare plan's cancer patients compared to US.

 

Show me in the Constitution where cheap healtcare is a civil right. It's probably written right under the part about being able to kill your baby.

[JMP]

Here is a list of things compiled a few years ago by the Brookings Institute:

 

http://www.brookings.edu/papers/2000/11governance_light.aspx

 

I'd also like to add: The National Forests, National Parks, and pretty much all other Public lands, as well as the State run Fish and Game programs, i.e. Public Hunting.

 

I especially like #30 - Expanding Home Ownership. We all know where that one has got us (along with many of the laughable accomplishments, like reforming tax legislation... are you kidding? how is changing your own rules an accomplishment?)

 

And I would argue that the success of the the state run Fish and Game programs comes largely from the fact that they are funded by those who use them. Compare them to waste of the US Fish and Wildlife Service. If a state wants to offer middle class universal health care, then so be it... let the state do it. It's not the place of the federal government. bottom line.

[Jimmer Negamanee]

I consider myself a staunch if not rabid proponent of free markets. So much so that I think even government programs can benefit from free market principles. (For example, it irked me to no end that when Medicare started its prescription drug benefit the law did not allow Medicare to negotiate the prices it paid for the medications.)

 

But with that said, I must admit there are some things that the government does with some amount of competence. Here’s a quick list:

 

1. Military: Our men and women in uniform answered their country’s call and throughout our history (including our most recent conflicts) performed with efficiency, conviction and honor. I thank them all for their service.

2. Police and Fire Depts: If I smell smoke or am a victim of crime I call one of these local agencies. They respond quickly but also partner with the feds to match fingerprints, DNA or other evidence to help catch the bad guys. I thank them for their service.

3. Education: I am a product of the public school system that educated me through high school for (nearly) free. College was not free but was subsidized. I thank my teachers for their service.

4. Water/Waste Water: Every morning I turn on my tap to find potable water to drink or make my coffee with. It comes from my local government who prepares and delivers my water to me while complying with federal government standards. When I flush, my sewage goes to a government waste water treatment plant to be cleaned up before it is discharged down the river to Rocky Point or into the ground water supply. I rather prefer this process to having to drink and eat fish out a river full of human waste. I thank them for their service.

 

I do not, however, refer to them as our “socialized” military, police and fire departments, etc.

 

DB, I agree with you on a fundamental level. I don’t think health care is a right and it bothers me when people talk about it as such. We live in an economic world. If something is right, it sounds like it should be free, but if it’s free, then no one will value it. That’s why (except perhaps for children or the completely indigent) there needs to be a cost for services. I pay a co-pay for the most basic services, for example, but it’s enough to make me think about it.

 

I guess my point is this, we already cover “non-producers” 100% (or nearly so) and I don’t think that is going away because a lot of “non-producers” vote, but there must be a way to give BASIC COVERAGE (not liver transplants to alcoholics) to people who work one or more jobs but are a broken arm or a heart attack away from going bankrupt.

 

 

[DesertBull]

But with that said, I must admit there are some things that the government does with some amount of competence. Here’s a quick list:

 

1. Military: Our men and women in uniform answered their country’s call and throughout our history (including our most recent conflicts) performed with efficiency, conviction and honor. I thank them all for their service.

2. Police and Fire Depts: If I smell smoke or am a victim of crime I call one of these local agencies. They respond quickly but also partner with the feds to match fingerprints, DNA or other evidence to help catch the bad guys. I thank them for their service.

3. Education: I am a product of the public school system that educated me through high school for (nearly) free. College was not free but was subsidized. I thank my teachers for their service.

4. Water/Waste Water: Every morning I turn on my tap to find potable water to drink or make my coffee with. It comes from my local government who prepares and delivers my water to me while complying with federal government standards. When I flush, my sewage goes to a government waste water treatment plant to be cleaned up before it is discharged down the river to Rocky Point or into the ground water supply. I rather prefer this process to having to drink and eat fish out a river full of human waste. I thank them for their service.

 

Besides the military, those are all local and state agencies. Not bloated, inefficient, fraudulent federal programs.

 

I'm all for the 10th Amnedment. Give it back to us.

 

And if you have never been in the military, I will tell you straight out, the waste that goes on there is unbelievable.

 

Whether you believe it the Gov't job to provide for each person, cradle to grave or not, the fact is we as a nation are bankrupt and cannot afford to be the world's general practitioner.

[Snapshot]

Now they are proposing "mandatory health insurance", and will fine you if you don't have it. What a joke!

[Non-Typical Solutions]

I am pretty proud of my dad, he did everything in his financial power to take care of my mom, put a new pace maker in her and all the while was dieing from kidney failure himself.

He refused to do the dialysis thing. He lives out in the middle of nowhere and said his "quality of life" wasn't worth it.

He was 84, she was 83, and dad died on a Sunday, mom closed her eyes on Monday and passed away the next Sunday.

 

Mom's liver looked like an alcholic liver but she never drank.

 

Here is what irks me:

 

I pay dearly for my insurance only to be told of some technicality that they won't cover my wife's mammogram......and yet some people who qualify can get a mammogram for free.

 

I dispise the fact that people here illegally get treatment for things that I pay for out of my pocket......

 

It really makes me mad when something costs less if I pay cash but more if it goes through the insurance........

 

Auto insurance needs the same revamping.............

 

I spend $600.00 a month on health insurance and oh man my blood is boiling.............

 

My house insurance went up to help insurance companies cover the damage of hurricane Katrina...........agggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

 

[Rembrant]

Now they are proposing "mandatory health insurance", and will fine you if you don't have it. What a joke!

 

Is this freedom?

Mike