What's Up With The Signs

[wardsoutfitters]

What’s up with fish and game posting private land with no hunting signs. These signs are small aluminum signs that READ NO HUNTING PRIVATE LAND AND HAVE THE GAME AND FISH LOGO ON THEM. Why is it they are using our money to post private land. This really makes me upset because the land they are posting we don’t even get access to the land locked public land that is blocked by it.

Just want to know what you all think about this and If you have seen these signs . and what units

 

[elkaholic]

hello - how about a picture of these signs - if you get a chance - Our access is getting limited every yr. -It may be possable that the land owner requested signs from game and fish - Did you try asking the landowner - what's up! Gary

[CouesWhitetail]

I would call AGFD and ask to speak to someone who heads up the landowner/access program. Maybe this person is the place to start:

For additional information or questions on the Access Program Please contact Al Eiden, Private Lands Stewardship Coordinator at (623) 236-7624 or aeiden@azgfd.gov.

 

Also, you might look up in the meeting minutes for the landowner/sportsman relations committee. You might find some info in there.

http://www.azgfd.gov/outdoor_recreation/la...committee.shtml

 

 

[Str8Shot]

Sounds like down in unit 32.... All my years in az I have seen it from time to time and I think it comes down to who maintains the fence line (not 100 percent on that but just a guess) but I do know it is not new and if anything it may be more of an old practice I am sure game and fish will let you know

[willhunt4coues]

There are a few spots in 4A also that are the same. Only like 2 or 3 acres though.

[couesdiehard]

I've seen this down south before. I believe I was told that through the sportsman/landowner access program G&F will post signs on gates you are allowed to access through this program and in return they post portions of the property for the landowner where they don't want to allow access.

[Bucks_N_Yotes]

I must say that I have about 26 of these signs around my property. My phone number is on them and people do call from time to time to gain acess. This time of year, it rings of the hook with all the dove hunters wanting a place to go. We put the signs up working with GF to control the BS of the Cali people coming out and tearing things up, leaving trash all over the place, shooting towards you when you drive up on them. The people that take the time to call, meet with you are the ones that you want on the property or would consider letting hunt. The Jacks that don't give a rip about anything keep wrecking the program for those who follow the rules. Most of the area landowners in the area will not let anyone hunt and run people off. The nice thing about the Ranch Acess program is it really establishes where you can and can not go as long as you have permision.

 

If I think of it I will post a photo of one of our signs when I have time. Ohh and I do have my areas gated with locks! They have a combo that changes about every couple of weeks!

[stanley]

I've seen some of these signs, and also was curious. Thanks for the good explanation sunsetfarms!! Sounds about like I figured it would....

 

S.

 

 

 

[Bucks_N_Yotes]

Here is a link to the signs

 

http://www.azgfd.gov/outdoor_recreation/LandownerSigns.shtml

 

Mine read a little different, stating you must obtain written permision, which is a dated pass and waiver, but other than that its the same. Oh and our name is on it.

[stanley]

OK, now I'm thinking..... I have another question that maybe sunsetfarms can answer: In the state of Arizona, do you HAVE to obtain permission from a land owner prior to accessing the property (for hunting, or anything else....)? The only reason I ask is that when I was going to college in Utah, I learned that in that state, private property can be accessed unless 'properly marked'. The burden was put on the property owner to mark the property, and there were strict guidelines. Something like 'a sign every 100 feet...' or something like that.

 

I was chased off of some property while dove hunting a few years ago by a Maricopa county sherif. When I questioned it; telling him that the property was not 'posted', he said that the property didn't need to be posted. He said that the burdon was on the hunter to get permission, as opposed to the burdon being on the land owner to post the property. I didn't have a problem with that, and ever since then I have been extra sensitive to where I hunt to make sure I'm not on private ground.

 

Do you know the rules on this sunsetfarms? Again, more just curious than anything cuz I'm pretty careful these days.... Also, it's obviously simple courtesy to get the land owner's permission. Just curious as to what the law states...

 

S.

 

[Bucks_N_Yotes]

OK, now I'm thinking..... I have another question that maybe sunsetfarms can answer: In the state of Arizona, do you HAVE to obtain permission from a land owner prior to accessing the property (for hunting, or anything else....)? The only reason I ask is that when I was going to college in Utah, I learned that in that state, private property can be accessed unless 'properly marked'. The burden was put on the property owner to mark the property, and there were strict guidelines. Something like 'a sign every 100 feet...' or something like that.

 

I was chased off of some property while dove hunting a few years ago by a Maricopa county sherif. When I questioned it; telling him that the property was not 'posted', he said that the property didn't need to be posted. He said that the burdon was on the hunter to get permission, as opposed to the burdon being on the land owner to post the property. I didn't have a problem with that, and ever since then I have been extra sensitive to where I hunt to make sure I'm not on private ground.

 

Do you know the rules on this sunsetfarms? Again, more just curious than anything cuz I'm pretty careful these days.... Also, it's obviously simple courtesy to get the land owner's permission. Just curious as to what the law states...

 

S.

 

 

I am not an expert on this but I believe that as long as its not posted their is not alot the land owner can do. Its just common courtesy to try to find out who owns the land and get permission. Their is nothing I like more than to have someone ask first before they enter. They may just want to be out to shoot some yotes, and maybe I don't want them to, or anything simular. The bond that you build with that hunter is great from our view because it acts as another set of eyes when we are not there! I know if its properly posted, you should see signs every 1/4 mile or signs at the 1/4 mile on the corners and Orange stakes painted on three sides a 1/4 mile in between the signs. Knowing the rules and just taking a minute to talk to someone could make a huge difference in where you hunt from years to come. I can say that on my property I have times of the year that I do not let people on to hunt. There is nothing worse than a truck or atv hitting the dirt roads after a rain. It will get you tossed out before you know it! Ben

[desertdog]

What’s up with fish and game posting private land with no hunting signs. These signs are small aluminum signs that READ NO HUNTING PRIVATE LAND AND HAVE THE GAME AND FISH LOGO ON THEM. Why is it they are using our money to post private land. This really makes me upset because the land they are posting we don’t even get access to the land locked public land that is blocked by it.

Just want to know what you all think about this and If you have seen these signs . and what units

 

Perhaps the AZGFD is working with the land owners in that area to improve land owner relations to keep the private access open to public. For example Rock Creek Lane in in a certain souther Arizona unit . The more the Game and Fish can do to foster a solid relationship between the hunters and land owners is a huge positive. It is then up to us the hunters to help police the access and respect private property. I know we hate to see access points to locked up, and it can be very frustrating. But I cant imagine how much the land owner hates to see their personal property (fences, gates, live stock, drinkers, windmills) tampered with/used for target practice.

 

Bottom line its a respect issue. I don't mind them using OUR money to put up signs if it helps keep access open. In this case access may not be open but they may be working to get to that point. Or that land owner may have other access points that are open but this one stretch is not. This is always a sticky subject, private property/land owners, and hunting access, but a good debate none the less.

[arizonaelitefreak]

I dont think I've ever seen any of these signs but if I do I still think I might try and contact the property owner to see if by some chance we could access his property! You never know he just might give you permission!!Cant hurt to ask can it?

[wardsoutfitters]

I don’t want access or need access through their property. And I know that access is restricted to these areas. The land owner picks and chooses who he is going to let have access.. If we’re going to post his said property then anyone with a hunting license should get access.

[catclaw]

OK, now I'm thinking..... I have another question that maybe sunsetfarms can answer: In the state of Arizona, do you HAVE to obtain permission from a land owner prior to accessing the property (for hunting, or anything else....)? The only reason I ask is that when I was going to college in Utah, I learned that in that state, private property can be accessed unless 'properly marked'. The burden was put on the property owner to mark the property, and there were strict guidelines. Something like 'a sign every 100 feet...' or something like that.

 

I was chased off of some property while dove hunting a few years ago by a Maricopa county sherif. When I questioned it; telling him that the property was not 'posted', he said that the property didn't need to be posted. He said that the burdon was on the hunter to get permission, as opposed to the burdon being on the land owner to post the property. I didn't have a problem with that, and ever since then I have been extra sensitive to where I hunt to make sure I'm not on private ground.

 

Do you know the rules on this sunsetfarms? Again, more just curious than anything cuz I'm pretty careful these days.... Also, it's obviously simple courtesy to get the land owner's permission. Just curious as to what the law states...

 

S.

 

 

I am not an expert on this but I believe that as long as its not posted their is not alot the land owner can do. Its just common courtesy to try to find out who owns the land and get permission. Their is nothing I like more than to have someone ask first before they enter. They may just want to be out to shoot some yotes, and maybe I don't want them to, or anything simular. The bond that you build with that hunter is great from our view because it acts as another set of eyes when we are not there! I know if its properly posted, you should see signs every 1/4 mile or signs at the 1/4 mile on the corners and Orange stakes painted on three sides a 1/4 mile in between the signs. Knowing the rules and just taking a minute to talk to someone could make a huge difference in where you hunt from years to come. I can say that on my property I have times of the year that I do not let people on to hunt. There is nothing worse than a truck or atv hitting the dirt roads after a rain. It will get you tossed out before you know it! Ben

 

 

 

Under Arizona trespassing laws, the landowner or steward must properly post REAL PROPERTY. If you enter private land that is not posted, you can be asked to leave, but cannot be cited. The deputy was wrong if he told you the burden was on you. In Colorado this is true, but not in Arizona.

 

I have hunted on private lands a lot that aren't posted. If they don't want hunters, they will post it.

 

 

You cannot enter a fenced residential or commercial YARD but just crossing a cattle fence in the wide opens is a completely different matter.