My great Grandfather

[AZantlerhead]

This Is my great grandfather Reed sometime in the 40's? in old mexico. This was the Buck of his lifetime. Really wish I could have met the man . From what my grandma says( his daughter) He Really, Really appreciated this buck.(she couldn't understand why, just more cooking for her to do). Theres also a legend that in his early twenties he tried jumping out of a tree and knifeing a big buck . He was in bed for two weeks badly beaten up (allmost killed) by a mature mulie like this one, a very true story, one of those stories that outlives a man. You can see on his face the respect he has for the animal. Just wanted to share. This is all I know of him, he was a hunter and a good man, a WW1 vet- Infantry in the marines, he survived a brawl with a buck and a war, to allow my existance. Thanks Great grandpa Reed

[CouesWhitetail]

Awesome! Thanks for sharing the pic and stories.

 

Amanda

 

[Coues Archer]

Awesome man. Fantastic pic and fantastic info about your grandpa. He has alot of respect from me being a WW1 veteran.

[Switchback]

great post for sure!

[billrquimby]

Great buck!

 

Hunters like your grandfather were a lot tougher in the good ol' days, AZantlerhead, but at my age I'm not certain the forties qualifies for that description.

 

Let me tell you about my uncle, who like your grandfather, survived an altercation with a big mule deer buck.

 

My uncle Wilbur was born in Mammoth and grew up on a horse before he married my mother's older sister and moved to Tucson in 1929. One of the things I remember him telling me was the only time he roped a mule deer. Instead of trying to get away as the bears and javelinas that he roped later did, that deer charged his horse and jumped all over the place. He had to drag the buck off its feet and get it tangled in a mesquite before he could get off and kill it with a little hatchet he always carried in his saddlebag.

 

This took place in the little hills above Cascabel on the San Pedro River in about 1923-24, when Wilbur was only 12 or 13 years old.

 

Wilbur killed a lot of mule deer, javelinas, and whitetails in his long life, but the antlers of the mule deer he roped were the only trophy he kept. They were nailed on a shed behind his house until he died in about 1991. He had a heart attack while rounding up cattle in the Rincon Mountains and fell off his horse dead, just as he had told me a week earlier he wanted to do when it was his time. I lost track of those antlers after that, but I remember them as being heavy, very wide and tall, with four long tines and eyeguards per side.

 

Roping and whacking deer with a hatchet was illegal, even in the 1920s, of course, but hunters then winked and looked the other way when rural folks ate venison year around.

 

Before someone calls a warden, please note that this took place nearly ninety years ago and my uncle Wilbur is long past prosecution.

 

Bill Quimby

[AZantlerhead]

Great story Bill, ohh and a correction GG Reed was in the army not marines. Another footnote. after returning from his ture of duty he sided with Poncho Via dureing the spanish revolution

[billrquimby]

Great story Bill, ohh and a correction GG Reed was in the army not marines. Another footnote. after returning from his ture of duty he sided with Poncho Via dureing the spanish revolution

 

Something's wrong here, AZantlerhead: If your grandfather fought against General Francisco Franco's government troops in Spain's 1936-39 civil war, as did Ernest Hemingway, author of a great novel about that revolution, he would have been deemed a hero in some quarters here.

 

However, the feelings of most Americans after Pancho Villa raided Columbus, New Mexico, in 1916 were such that if he fought with Pancho Villa against Pershing's Punitive Expedition into Mexico, he probably would have been jailed or shot as a traitor if he attempted to return to the USA.

 

I suspect you mean your grandfather agreed with the revolutionary cause in Mexico. Pancho Villa was just one of several leaders involved in that cause, most of whom (including Pancho Villa) were assassinated later.

 

Bill Quimby

[AZantlerhead]

Great story Bill, ohh and a correction GG Reed was in the army not marines. Another footnote. after returning from his ture of duty he sided with Poncho Via dureing the spanish revolution

 

Something's wrong here, AZantlerhead: If your grandfather fought against General Francisco Franco's government troops in Spain's 1936-39 civil war, as did Ernest Hemingway, author of a great novel about that revolution, he would have been deemed a hero in some quarters here.

 

However, the feelings of most Americans after Pancho Villa raided Columbus, New Mexico, in 1916 were such that if he fought with Pancho Villa against Pershing's Punitive Expedition into Mexico, he probably would have been jailed or shot as a traitor if he attempted to return to the USA.

 

I suspect you mean your grandfather agreed with the revolutionary cause in Mexico. Pancho Villa was just one of several leaders involved in that cause, most of whom (including Pancho Villa) were assassinated later.

 

Bill Quimby

Sounds like you know more than me about the history of that era.You gotta understand they don't teach about these"smaller wars in any school i went to, and I wasn't born till 1982. That's all I've ben told, Was that he "Sided with Poncho in the spanish wars or revolution" after comeing home from WW1. You never fail to shine some extra some light to something. You ever play Jeopardy? I'll haggle my grandma for the full stories when I speak with her again. Good excuse to call .

[tjhunt2]

What a great story and picture. That buck is a toad for sure. Thanks for sharing.

 

TJ

[billrquimby]

Great story Bill, ohh and a correction GG Reed was in the army not marines. Another footnote. after returning from his ture of duty he sided with Poncho Via dureing the spanish revolution

 

Something's wrong here, AZantlerhead: If your grandfather fought against General Francisco Franco's government troops in Spain's 1936-39 civil war, as did Ernest Hemingway, author of a great novel about that revolution, he would have been deemed a hero in some quarters here.

 

However, the feelings of most Americans after Pancho Villa raided Columbus, New Mexico, in 1916 were such that if he fought with Pancho Villa against Pershing's Punitive Expedition into Mexico, he probably would have been jailed or shot as a traitor if he attempted to return to the USA.

 

I suspect you mean your grandfather agreed with the revolutionary cause in Mexico. Pancho Villa was just one of several leaders involved in that cause, most of whom (including Pancho Villa) were assassinated later.

 

Bill Quimby

Sounds like you know more than me about the history of that era.You gotta understand they don't teach about these"smaller wars in any school i went to, and I wasn't born till 1982. That's all I've ben told, Was that he "Sided with Poncho in the spanish wars or revolution" after comeing home from WW1. You never fail to shine some extra some light to something. You ever play Jeopardy? I'll haggle my grandma for the full stories when I speak with her again. Good excuse to call .

 

My wife and I enjoy watching Jeopardy, but she usually does better at providing the questions than I do.

 

We weren't taught much about the "minor" wars in my school years, either, but I have always done a lot of reading, and Ernest Hemingway's novel, "For Whom the Bell Tolls," got me interested in the Spanish Civil War in college. I later got to meet Francisco Franco's son, Nicolas, at SCI's conventions and the One Shot Antelope Hunt, and that sparked more interest in his father's reign in Spain. (No pun intended.)

 

As for Pancho Villa and Pershing's Punitive Expedition into Mexico, my wife had a distant relative (he was descended from one of the few Frenchmen who wasn't run out of Mexico) who owned a ranch near Mazatlan, and he was among the vaqueros who took their .30-30 saddle guns and rode their horses onto the pier at that city and -- believe it or not -- kept the U.S. Navy from offloading supplies there.

 

(Pershing was under orders not to shoot at civilians, so the supplies were taken to Guaymas and unloaded.)

 

Then, I also had a uncle who had served with Pershing under Patton in the unsuccessful attempt to punish Villa. I also knew Ben Tinker (he had a ranch in the Sierra Madres in Chihuahua where Villa hid out from Patton) and Felipe Wells (he grew up at his father's mine in Barranca del Cobre during and after the Pancho Villa era. Felipe had loads of great stories about shooting whitetails to feed his father's workers, too).

 

Their tales made me want to read and learn more, which I did.

 

I apologize for rambling, but that "expedition" and the entire Mexican revolution were darned interesting to me because they happened at our doorstep, and people who participated in them still were alive early in my life.

 

Bill Quimby

[ac guy]

I named my Browning high wall "Roberto". Best book I've ever read. Movie stunk.

[billrquimby]

I named my Browning high wall "Roberto". Best book I've ever read. Movie stunk.

 

I agree with your assessment of the book and movie. Have you seen how Wikipedia describes it?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_Whom_the_Bell_Tolls

 

Bill Quimby