AZLance Report post Posted July 29, 2009 more "farm-worker illegals in 35A" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AZLance Report post Posted July 29, 2009 a group of 91 "farm-worker illegals" on the Elk Horn Ranch in unit 36C Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AZLance Report post Posted July 29, 2009 20 "farm-worker illegals" in unit 34A Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AZLance Report post Posted July 29, 2009 looks like a few "farm-worker illegals" have been thru this spot in 36A Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
azpackhorse Report post Posted July 29, 2009 Farmer's cash crop. Ran into this while checking a cam last year. post harvest migration, this is in Peck Canyon about 1/2 mile from homes. These were the last 2 in a string of 10. My .300 winmag was itching something fierce. I ran into more drug smuggling action last year then all prior years combined. Believe what you want fellers but I am here to tell you that it is a battle ground out there so stay vigilant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
azhuntergirl Report post Posted July 29, 2009 I'm not disputing drug smuggling, and non-farmworker illegals. Didn't I say MOST are farm workers? That is true. Those backpack pictures are from immigrants, not mules. Mules carry those big sacks. You will RARELY run across any sort of trouble. I grew up there. I worked on ranches there. I know people who still live there. There are MASSIVE problems, but violence toward hunters hasn't been a large issue. I didn't say don't be vigilant. In fact, I said the opposite. "Keep your wits about you and your gun on you" is what I believe I said. It's courteous and responsible to not take things out of context. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John O Report post Posted July 29, 2009 I am going to chime in here. I think the best source to look to is history. Does anyone know how many hunters have been killed or wounded by illegals in southern Arizona over the last 20 years. Yes, I understand there have been close encounters, and I have personally seen the crossers, but numbers talk. If the number is none or even a few, than I submit that you have a greater chance of getting killed by taking a Saturday afternoon drive to the Wal-Mart to pick up some TP. But what about the close encounters- Yes they can be scary and potentially life threatening, depending on how they are handled, but on the other hand, how many close call car accidents happen to you each year. For me I would say 3-5. So I provide this example to illustrate that there is inherent life threatening danger in much of what we do on a daily basis, and if history does not demonstrate a long list of tragic examples, than be vigilant and smart, and go bag a big one. Nuf said! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
azpackhorse Report post Posted July 29, 2009 I totally agree Hammy but one thing to take into consideration is that the situation is rapidly deteriorating along our border. The bad guys are more brazen and determined to deliver the product at any cost. You can find that in the news. azhuntergirl, I didn't read that any of your comments were taken out of context, at least I didn't take them out of context. All I am trying to get across to people who ask is that YES, there is certainly a growing potential for violent crimes against hunters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnnie blaze Report post Posted July 29, 2009 Ive never had any trouble down this way either, I have seen the donkey trains,trash piles, and BP. But one thing that needs to be realized is that when the law changes the rules and says that you can now carry a handgun during archery season south of the line...you better "be aware". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
azhuntergirl Report post Posted July 29, 2009 Humans are getting more evil by the minute. The human condition is rapidly deteriorating. Phoenix has some of the highest kidnapping numbers in the country. I've yet to hear of a hunter being attacked by an illegal of any kind. There is more potential for you to be attacked/hurt/killed in a metropolitan area than there is down south. Not saying it isn't possible. Just saying it's not hugely likely. I'm more afraid walking to my car during the day at ASU than hunting with a gun in the Southern Units. And I've done both! Let me tell you, I've seen more violence on ASU Main campus than I did in the whole of my childhood down South. What really frustrates me is that people who have spent little to no time in those units do google searches, finding pictures to freak themselves and others out. There is ALWAYS danger. No matter where you are. But it's unrealistic to look at those pictures and equate those to a high frequency/potential of violence. Most violence in those areas are contained between those acting illegally, those causing others to act illegally, and the law enforcement involved in the apprehension of those two previous categories. Be realistic. Be cautious. But don't be sensational, or paranoid. It doesn't do anyone any good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
azpackhorse Report post Posted July 29, 2009 I took my own photos very close to where I took my photos http://www.nationalterroralert.com/updates...game-employees/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
azhuntergirl Report post Posted July 29, 2009 I took my own photos very close to where I took my photos http://www.nationalterroralert.com/updates...game-employees/ Arivaca is indeed a scary area for law enforcement. Still haven't heard of a hunter experiencing any sort of scuffle with the guys you took pictures of. Mules don't usually carry weapons, it's their employers that are the scariest. Never had any problems down there as a hunter/resident. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ernesto C Report post Posted July 29, 2009 Humans are getting more evil by the minute. The human condition is rapidly deteriorating. Phoenix has some of the highest kidnapping numbers in the country. I've yet to hear of a hunter being attacked by an illegal of any kind. There is more potential for you to be attacked/hurt/killed in a metropolitan area than there is down south. Not saying it isn't possible. Just saying it's not hugely likely. I'm more afraid walking to my car during the day at ASU than hunting with a gun in the Southern Units. And I've done both! Let me tell you, I've seen more violence on ASU Main campus than I did in the whole of my childhood down South. What really frustrates me is that people who have spent little to no time in those units do google searches, finding pictures to freak themselves and others out. There is ALWAYS danger. No matter where you are. But it's unrealistic to look at those pictures and equate those to a high frequency/potential of violence. Most violence in those areas are contained between those acting illegally, those causing others to act illegally, and the law enforcement involved in the apprehension of those two previous categories. Be realistic. Be cautious. But don't be sensational, or paranoid. It doesn't do anyone any good. AMEN! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kilimanjaro Report post Posted July 29, 2009 Mules don't usually carry weapons, it's their employers that are the scariest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
azhuntergirl Report post Posted July 29, 2009 Lol I totally didn't catch the thing about the mules!!! ROFL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
