Fee Increases for next year

[ultra 2]

an increase is fine with me, especially for non residence. charge them up the a$$ ! less people will put in, more oportunity for me!

 

 

They already charge us up the a$$. The state is going to shoot themselves in the foot as less nonresidents will put in. This is a huge source of revenue for the state because every entrant has to buy a non-refundable hunting license. That is pure profit. IMO, it won't help your draw rate because if the state has the opportunity to sell a full 10% of the tags at $3200 a pop, you can bet that they'll make sure that the FULL 10% of the non-resident quota is filled.

[Tines]

[308Nut]

an increase is fine with me, especially for non residence. charge them up the a$$ ! less people will put in, more oportunity for me!

 

This kind of reasoning is very sad. NR may put many many applications into YOUR pool but are limited to 10% of ANY available tags so even though we may have huge amounts of applications for YOU to compete with, you really have very little competition from us due to the few tags we get. We like you have to pick a number, get in line and wait our turn only we have to wait longer on average due to the cap. You should be thankfull that we donate our hard earned money to your state year after year. In the last 14 years I have donated thousands of dollars to your state and drawn only 2 permits and only one note worthy tag. An archery elk in a decent unit and an archery javalina tag. I think the money I have donated far exceeds any number of permits I have taken away from you. Your game managment and the quality of your hunts is due largely to non-residents money as well as yours but not just yours. Of course most of Arizonas best hunting is on national forest which belongs to you and the rest of non-residents equally. Not that that really matters.

 

BTW, after reading the pdf file, I believe this is old news. This was the proposal for the last fee hike which has already happened a few years ago. Look at the current prices versus the "proposed" prices. Todays current prices are the old proposed fees and its last edit data was in November of 2005.

[catclaw]

I agree with you on the NR- status. As it stands now, the NR have a very minimal impact on the residents draw success. The dollars are welcome. The animals are mostly on Federal public lands. There has to be some give and take. Many of us hunt in other states too- it would be very short-sighted to look at this any other way.

[fatfootdoc]

an increase is fine with me, especially for non residence. charge them up the a$$ ! less people will put in, more oportunity for me!

Every forum has to have one cool guy doesnt it!! Problem is they keep raising our fees, they are going to keep raising yours! good luck with that, I can afford to keep putting in for a long time but when you are paying 1200 up front for your az Hunts dont come crying to the non residents!!ag

[TexasHunter]

We have control of this. If we as hunters stood together and boycoted the AZGFD by not getting licsences and applying for tags they would loose capital and have to CHANGE the way they are trying to do buisness. I know it would suck but just support another state such as New Mexico or even hunt mexico. The only way to get it accross to them ( Burocrats ) that we wont be looked at as dollar sighns is to hit them where it hurts the pocket book. I for one, when and if the fees for an instate tag hit that high, will not hunt fish or other in AZ any more.

[billrquimby]

We have control of this. If we as hunters stood together and boycoted the AZGFD by not getting licsences and applying for tags they would loose capital and have to CHANGE the way they are trying to do buisness. I know it would suck but just support another state such as New Mexico or even hunt mexico. The only way to get it accross to them ( Burocrats ) that we wont be looked at as dollar sighns is to hit them where it hurts the pocket book. I for one, when and if the fees for an instate tag hit that high, will not hunt fish or other in AZ any more.

 

That's a wonderful idea! Everyone else should stop buying licenses and entering the drawings so the AZGFD "Burocrats" will "loose" capital. If you do, maybe I'll be able to get another elk tag before they pat me on the face with a shovel ...

 

It has been a half century since I took all those political science, statistics and economics classes at the UA, but it seems to me that we very soon will see inflated prices on everything we buy, and not just hunting licenses and tags. It's the only way out of the mess that the politicians from both parties have brought upon us.

 

A $69 zillion deficit won't seem as large to voters when gasoline costs $100 gallon, bread is $18.00 loaf, a box of .22 ammo is $175 and a pair of jeans is $2,350. Not to worry, though. Minimum wage will be $700 hour, and wages of everyone else will be proportionally higher as it always is.

 

Unfortunately, the first people to be hurt by runaway inflation are those of us on fixed incomes. Although I have a Pioneer's license, I and other retirees won't be able to afford the $14,950 price of a resident elk tag, to say nothing about the $1,100 application fee!

 

If you think I am exaggerating, consider this: In 1948, I bought my first hunting license for $3 and my first deer tag for $1. A new Chevrolet or Ford pickup truck cost $750, gasoline was $0.11 gallon, cigarettes were $0.12 pack, minimum wage was $0.50 hour, and union construction workers made $4,800 year. I bought my first "deer" rifle -- a used .303 Model 99 Savage -- with two boxes of ammo for $35 that year.

 

In 1969, my wife and I bought a new 2,150-square-foot house on an acre in the foothills above Tucson for $21,500. Five years later, we bought two acres on a creek in Greer with forest service land on two sides for $7,500. We also bought new 1,100-square-foot townhouses for rentals in Green Valley in the 1970s for $10,000 and $11,000. Two years ago, we bought a 40-year-old, 500-square-foot home three blocks from the UA for our grandson to live in while going to school for $165,000.

 

I tell you this to show that the per-square-foot cost of homes grew from $10 in 1969 to $330 in just 40 years.

 

Mark my words. There was a time when a million dollars would buy what a billion dollars does now, and it won't be long before a trillion is worth only what a billion is now. Everyone who has any equity at all in a home will be a millionaire.

 

Let me know if you need any help in organizing your boycott. I have a degree in Marketing and worked for several advertising and public relations agencies early in my career, and I will gladly help you get the word out pro bono.

 

Bill Quimby

[TLH]

Boycotting the department will only allow those who don't an easier shot at being drawn. The problem with any type of boycott is that there are those who will not and do not care about the way things are ran and they will still apply and be drawn for a tag while the folks who boycott stand in the streets and fight the fight.

 

The packet i received shows a couple of things that i do not understand--one is that they discuss a premium type of license for deer and elk--i remember this when the department was proposing it and i can tell you that i was at the Arizona Game and Fish meeting at the fair grounds the year that USO sued the department and this was exactly what the residence wanted--a huge increase in tags fee's for 'premium hunts" but you have to remember that the only way you can increase the non-res hunts is to increase the res hunts--i believe it is 10% higher but i am not sure about that. If you look at the packet it is more like 100% higher than the res and i believe that is against the law.

 

Now the guide license has me a little perplexed--even though this is a cap i do not remember reading anything about it being raised to $500.00 per year i do remember something in the range of $350.00 but that was it so where does the $500.00 come from and why isn't it posted somewhere besides on the guides packet that it is going up that high??

 

I truly love the game and fish department--they do a heck of a job on about 80% of what they do but the 20% that they screw up hurts them more than all the good they do combined. I think the problem is that the department is too separated by divisions--i truly do not think that they are all on the same page at times and i hope with the new director--and with the new commissioners this will be resolved.

 

But as far as the non-res getting jammed--well, it takes us to get jammed first and then they have to get it a Little harder and no matter who you are that is not fun or funny!

 

Bill, good analogy!!

[billrquimby]

Boycotting the department will only allow those who don't an easier shot at being drawn. The problem with any type of boycott is that there are those who will not and do not care about the way things are ran and they will still apply and be drawn for a tag while the folks who boycott stand in the streets and fight the fight ... Bill, good analogy!!

 

Thanks. Count me in the group of hunters who will not be standing in the streets fighting the good fight. With heart problems at age 73, I may have only two or three seasons remaining that I can hunt so boycotts are out for me.

 

Bill Quimby

[bobbyo]

Bill,

Good economics lesson on the coming hyper inflation. One thing many people need to consider due to high unemployment and a devalued dollar where wages do not even come close to keeping up with inflation. So in essence we may all be on a relative fixed income.

Bob

[RoughCut]

Actually we are in a stage of harsh deflation. Our dollar should be buying more, yet fees and taxes continue to increase. I Bonds are yielding a whopping 0% right now because of it.

[DesertBull]

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[TLH]

Brian Wakeling sent this to me this morning. He would like to try and clarify what this packet is and wanted to insure to you all that the tags will not increase in cost. The guides license on the other hand is still up in the air as far as i can tell.

 

Terry:

 

 

 

Seen some information on The Arizona Hunter and got some calls of confusion today. You may wish to share this information on the site. FYI:

 

 

 

The Department is not looking at fee increases. This started as a fairly benign effort by our Law Branch Chief Gene Elms in sending out a reminder to the guides with a statute attached.

 

 

 

What Gene sent out was a copy of the current statute to remind guide’s of their responsibilities under existing statute. That statute also places the upper limit on the amount that we can charge for a variety of things like licenses and tags. This statute was passed in 2005 when we were considering a number of things, such as differing fees for “premier” deer or elk tags. Rules must be passed to implement statutes, and in the ensuing public comment and Commission process, the concept of charging more for the premier tags was left on the editing room floor. Article 1 rule, specifically R12-4-102 lists the current fees that the Commission charges for each license or tag. The fees can be equal to or less than that in statute, but cannot exceed that in statute. Despite the fact that we have the statutory authority to charge more for licenses and tags, there is no current move afoot to increase them.

 

Article 1 has gone through the rule review phase required by statute. If not reviewed once every 5 years, rules will simply go away. But rulemaking is required to actually change a rule. No mention of a fee increase was included in the review phase, and the public would have know of it because the Commission has to approve the review report. The governor has placed a moratorium on rulemaking for most rules, and no action is occurring on Article 1 since January and cannot begin until after October 16. The governor could choose to again extend this moratorium, but we do not currently know if she will. Once we can again begin the rulemaking phase, it will probably take 3-6 months to develop a proposed rulemaking package to be shared with the Commission, after which a 30 public comment period will be open. It will then be a subsequent meeting before final rulemaking can come before the Commission. I do not expect fee increases to be part of this package, but I cannot promise that. It has not yet been discussed, but nothing is currently in the works nor is anything underhanded ongoing.

 

Again, the statute allows for a higher maximum than is currently authorized through rule. It was the statute, not the rule that Gene sent out.

 

Brian Wakeling

 

Game Branch Chief

 

623-236-7385

 

 

[elkaholic]

hello - terry-"you have to remember that the only way you can increase the non-res hunts is to increase the res hunts-"-

 

heres where all that quanity over quality survey crap came about! why do you think they dropped dec. whitetail hunts from 100 to 25 and put in 600-700 oct. hunts . they are showing a much higher # of resident tags thus it up's the non-res.

 

Agin - Brain -"I do not expect fee increases to be part of this package, but I cannot promise that."

I'm not trying to say he's sprinkling perfume on the pile of crap - but it still smells fishy to me !

 

With times as difficult as we have now accross the nation - they ->> G$F <<<-should be looking at making things easier rather than harder for the average guy to be able to go and enjoy hunting and fishing in this great state.! You hunters with families -times are not changing for the better- sure they instatuded a savings for family licences and tags but that's not enough - when they turn around and screw us in another direction.

 

 

 

 

[TLH]

terry-"you have to remember that the only way you can increase the non-res hunts is to increase the res hunts-"-

 

Actually Gary it is a commerce law not something that our game and fish instituted that keeps this to the amount you can charge out of state hunters compared to instate. But all that said i can understand the frustration from all of this "change" we are having and i know it is very hard for everyone out there right now.