Sierra Club wants lion tag to auction

[billrquimby]

I think Bill Quimby hit the nail on the head.

 

"My bigger concern is if they sold the tag and funds go to the department the voice they have with how the dollars are spent. This would then put them at the table with the rest of the organizations that brought funds to the table, i.e. they can lay claim to funding of the department and in turn looking to have a much louder voice. This is bad."

 

Thanks, but although I agree completely with it, the comment you're quoting was CMC's.

 

Bill Quimby

[TLH]

Do you all remember the "Gun's of October" movie they showed at all of our high school? Do you think maybe they will make another movie for all of the kids to see?? If i were a hounds man i would not let these people hire me as it will most likely be the beginning to the end of hound hunting as we know it.

 

This is ammo for later use with these folks and if you don't believe that just sit back and see what kind of special affects they will use in the new movie.

[NRS]

I think Bill Quimby hit the nail on the head.

 

"My bigger concern is if they sold the tag and funds go to the department the voice they have with how the dollars are spent. This would then put them at the table with the rest of the organizations that brought funds to the table, i.e. they can lay claim to funding of the department and in turn looking to have a much louder voice. This is bad."

 

Thanks, but although I agree completely with it, the comment you're quoting was CMC's.

 

Bill Quimby

Sorry for the mis-attribution Bill

Thanks for catching that.

[bonuspointjohn]

The decision by the Commission was to not award the tag to the Sierra Club. They have every right to apply for the tag and they did so. The decision to not award the tag was that they did not have a comprehensive marketing plan, nor have they exhibited any past history of working with tags. That all said, I would really like to see the Sierra Club actively pursue this type of activity in order to raise funds to put money on the ground. Their philosophy is to typically work in the political arena and not base anything on specific species work They have donated many hours on projects that they are interested in..... much like us. I have had many discussions w/ Sandy Bahr and most of them have been with some degree of disagreement. I hope that everyone recognizes that they are not "Evil".... just different. Many times we clash over our philosophies... but sometimes we agree.....And we do join forces when we agree....Bonuspointjohn

[ajohunter]

I have read the Sierra Club web site and believe that the things they lobby and politic for are detrimental not just to the hunting community, but to the United States as a whole. Just my 2 cents.

[DesertBull]

I have a lion tag they can auction. I'll take 50% of the final price.

[bonuspointjohn]

The Sierra Club did apply for a lion tag to be auctioned... the application was not successful, as the Super Big Game raffle, the ADBSS and the ADA all received the tags. It is noteworthy that the Sierra Club was denied pretty much on the grounds that they did not have a marketing plan or any history of working tags. That all said, I would hope that the Sierra Club would actually buy a tag for some raffle person and hold the type of event they were talking about. Historically they have been litigants and very involved politically. As a national organization they do have a lot of clout..... but seldom do they place any of their $$$ on the ground. If they were to have the event they talked about (and they could hold several each year). they could then give the funds back to the department for the benefit of lion studies and lion habitat. We (the hunting community) pay for all species of wildlife...both consumptive and non consumptive. So..... let the Sierra Club kick in some money for their favorite critters... wolves, lions etc. we should welcome them contributing the $$...bonuspointjohn

[johnnie blaze]

The Sierra Club did apply for a lion tag to be auctioned... the application was not successful, as the Super Big Game raffle, the ADBSS and the ADA all received the tags. It is noteworthy that the Sierra Club was denied pretty much on the grounds that they did not have a marketing plan or any history of working tags. That all said, I would hope that the Sierra Club would actually buy a tag for some raffle person and hold the type of event they were talking about. Historically they have been litigants and very involved politically. As a national organization they do have a lot of clout..... but seldom do they place any of their $$$ on the ground. If they were to have the event they talked about (and they could hold several each year). they could then give the funds back to the department for the benefit of lion studies and lion habitat. We (the hunting community) pay for all species of wildlife...both consumptive and non consumptive. So..... let the Sierra Club kick in some money for their favorite critters... wolves, lions etc. we should welcome them contributing the $$...bonuspointjohn

The SC can donate as much funds as they want to any of the species that they are interested in. I just dont see the reason that they would want, or need to, chase a lion for "what reason"?

[TLH]

Unfortunately the SC has done things in the past that has been an attack on hunters and hunters values--there is no way that any of us who have been watching this group can trust that they only want to use the tag to chase a lion for photo reasons--there has to be an agenda and what the agenda is who knows (can't be good for hunters). We as hunters can not be in bed with any group that is a danger to our sport.

 

Give any group an inch and they will most certainly take a mile--keep them out of the big game tags and we will handle to burden on our own. Politics are a big part of our sport now but we should still keep our loyalty to the hunting community and keep the others who don't agree with our life style out if we can.

[bonuspointjohn]

Hi Terry..... as one of my favorite quotes reads : Keep your friends close but your enemies closer.... I agree that the SC has done many things that makes me want to tear my hair out... but.... why not have them kick in money?....they already demand tons of information from the Department as well as the commission.... why not have them spend some $$...We know that their position is to leave every wolf and lion alone..... come to the July meeting when the U.S. Fish & Wildlife will report back that they have not finished their work.... the Commission will then be forced to deal w/ offending lions in the Kofa's.... should be an interesting show.....bonuspointjohn

[TLH]

I guess my biggest concern would be that they then would feel they have ownership in their way of doing things. I wouldn't be as concerned John but you and i both know that they have strength in numbers and in money and we as sportsman are fragmented and apathetic at best. If we all could join together and fight the fight i wouldn't not have one concern about the SC group or any other.

 

I look at history a lot and what i see in sportsman is the same that happened to the Native Americans--if all tribes would have joined together and fought to keep their land then you and i wouldn't be having this conversation in what we know is the USA--the Native Americans had the numbers and they knew how to fight but they were too busy fighting each other to get the job done--sound familiar??

 

 

I understand what you are saying John and i do know what you and i would like to see from the non-hunting groups but until we as hunters actually join forces then we are not ready for the money and numbers that these groups will have.

 

 

PS--i don't have any hair left!! LOL!!

[tjhunt2]

I guess my biggest concern would be that they then would feel they have ownership in their way of doing things. I wouldn't be as concerned John but you and i both know that they have strength in numbers and in money and we as sportsman are fragmented and apathetic at best. If we all could join together and fight the fight i wouldn't not have one concern about the SC group or any other.

 

I look at history a lot and what i see in sportsman is the same that happened to the Native Americans--if all tribes would have joined together and fought to keep their land then you and i wouldn't be having this conversation in what we know is the USA--the Native Americans had the numbers and they knew how to fight but they were too busy fighting each other to get the job done--sound familiar??

 

 

I understand what you are saying John and i do know what you and i would like to see from the non-hunting groups but until we as hunters actually join forces then we are not ready for the money and numbers that these groups will have.

 

 

PS--i don't have any hair left!! LOL!!

 

Very well put!

 

TJ

 

[wetmule]

++++1 Terry

The sierra club is nothing more than a giant group of environmental activist lawyers who are incredibly funded and aided by the lies they tell their supporters. Their name and brand is plastered all over just about every single piece of activist legislation and lawsuit filed, and if their name isn't included on the green plaintiff list they sure as heck are contributing funding to it. John, they don't want to leave every single wolf and lion alone, they want them in all our backyards. They want us out of the forests and mountains, deserts, woods, marshes, rivers etc. period. Any use of our renewable resources makes their skin crawl, and they use their extensive legal resources and deep pockets to prevent the use of such resources.

[dogman68]

I agree. Not sure why anyone would need an auction tag to hunt lions. As for "grey area" of pursuit; not really sure what is grey about it as in any kind of hunting, you always have the opportunity to "not shoot" etc. If I pass up a mule deer buck, am I "harrassing" wildlife because I never had any intention of shooting the small buck I am looking at? Other states do have pursuit seasons for lions and things have gone very well actually. If I were a lion I think I would prefer being pursued and let go than shot. JMO I know lots of guys that pursue with trail cams, cameras, video cameras etc. No intent to kill, only photograph. Not real sure with the issue is here.

I believe you can pursue raccoons also but don't quote me. But personally I would find anything the Sierra Club does as suspect.

As a side note, I had the president of the Prescott chapter of the SC one time tell me that it was a waste of money to treat old veterans at the VA hospital (he worked there) because, quote, "they were gonna die anyway". I found that comment rather interesting. he was wearing the usual SC "uniform"------the large brimmed at (he looked like he had been fried in a deep fryer) with the Syrup bottle full of water on his side with his belt run through the handle.

[soazarcher]

Seems like a ploy to end lion hunting, IMO.

 

Chase a cat, film it panting in a tree with a bunch of yappy hounds under it, and plaster the poor little kitty on the internet.

 

This is how these people work.

 

SC is not a friend to hunters, bad news.

 

Do you think they could find a houndsman to run with them?