Red Rabbit Report post Posted April 30, 2009 I wonder if this holds up in the other units that had an increase in tags. Quickly did 36B. 2006 = 550 2007 = 516 2008 = 591 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jnobleinaz Report post Posted April 30, 2009 I have a feeling we will all see the bad outcome of all these tags this year in the field. With the same tag #'s basically the coues deer will be in really bad shape down south over the next 5 years. Those numbers are staggering. You cant tell me you can take that many extra deer out of the herd and they be okay. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Rabbit Report post Posted May 1, 2009 Also, I hope the 2 bucks per square mile thing is WAY off. I used the ruler on google earth to measure the size of 33. Came up with real close to 1000 square miles. I hope we didn't take upwards of 40 percent of the bucks out of there last year. Well, If there are 6 reproducing does/square mile and 1000 sq miles, then there would be 6000 does. The fawn:doe ratio is like 35:100 If each drops one fawn, and 1/2 are bucks, then about 1050 bucks are produced every year to replace those lost to hunting, predation, disease and old age. THe decision to increase or decrease permit numbers is based on buck:doe ratios, fawn:doe, population trend, hunt success levels. See page 8 in the hunt guidelines. http://www.azgfd.gov/pdfs/h_f/huntingrecom...tGuidelines.pdf At the public hunt input meetings at the regional offices a month ar so ago, these were discussed (at least in teh Flagstaff meeting it was) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scoutm Report post Posted May 1, 2009 I haven't read every post in this thread so I may be speaking out of turn but in the unit 33 example regardless of how many sq miles it is I would guess that only 80% of it holds whitetail and only about 50% of that can be hunted due to access issues - private land and the Monument. So even though the unit has the potential to produce a lot of bucks the pressure on the areas that can be hunted is having a very negative impact. I'm Fortunate enough to live in 33 so I'm able to get out and glass often (I have also had trail cameras setup) and I know a lot of other extremely skilled glassers who have hunted the unit for years who say the same thing - The average age has dropped considerabely and as a result the number of large bucks is way down. Don't get me wrong there are still great bucks in 33 you just have to work a lot harder to find them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
