The Draw System

[elkaholic]

hello - ok red rabbit -- from what I've been told on the bogus points - say I have 6 whatever spiecies. someone said my name is assigned to 6 randum numbers for the draw -so i actually have 6 chances-- what I understand -told-that you are issued one number but they draw 6 different times to lower that number - so the lowest the number assigned the better chance of being draw - whats the true story here !? gary

[RoughCut]

if you have 6 points you will be given seven random numbers in total. Once everyone has their respective numbers, they start at the number 1. They pull up xyz hunter that drew the number one, they check there first choice and give them the tag if there are tags left (which if you drew the number one you will obviously draw your first choice) Then they move to whoever drew the number 2 .... and so on until all tags have been given.

 

The more times you are in the hat (seven) the better chance you have at drawing a really low number.

[Red Rabbit]

If you have 6 BP, you would be given 7 random numbers ( one for each BP and one for that year's draw). The lowest of those random numbers is used in the draw.

 

For each part of the draw (20% pass, 1-2 pass, 3-4-5 pass) new sets of random numbers are given.

 

How the big game draw woprks:

http://www.azgfd.gov/eservices/BigGameDrawingProcess.shtml

[elkaholic]

hello - ok -with 6 bogus points my name is not in the hat 7 times but only once with the lowest # out of seven random #'s drawn - for each of the passes ! thanks Gary

[308Nut]

This is a very good thread.

 

I am an ex AZ resident. Born and raised. I now live in a state where there are NO bonus points period. IMHO, both systems have their advantages. I must say that AZ has one of the most "meet in the middle" systems. No matter how you arrange the system, the fact remains, there are way more applicants than their are tags. Period. You cannot send everyone afield after bull elk and coues bucks in the rut who simply wishes to go. It can also be a crap shoot. I remember in 04 drawing a rut elk tag for archery in a good unit. I applied for nine years. No gripes here, I picked a number, got in line and waited my turn. I showed up before the season, stayed a day after and hunted the whole thing. There was a guy that showed up near my camp and hunted 1/2 of the friday opener, saturday, 1/2 of sunday and went home. He addmited that he would not make the rest of the hunt. To me that is an entire WASTE of a premium tag. No wonder it took me 9 years to draw. Every yahoo and their brother is putting in so they can hunt less than 3 days of two week season. What a waste. Enough of the rant, it is public land and there are no rules as to how long one must hunt if at all. Back to the thread. I enjoy knowing that sooner or later, (other than strip hunts or early rifle elk hunts/unit 9 archery hunts) that the BP's I have accumulated will make it so that it is impossible to NOT draw a tag with the chance of drawing before I am in the max BP pool.

 

Arraing it how you like, the fact remains that most of the guys who are seeking premium permits will be sitting at home this season dreaming of next years chances and accumulating BP's in the proccess due to more demand than supply.

 

IMHO, with the extremely HIGH bull to cow ratio and the subsequent mass quantities of broken elk antlers, it is my opinion that the gods at the game and fish could up the bull permits a bit and thin the bulls down a wee bit. AZ has some huge bulls, but also huge bull to cow ratios. Fewer nice bulls would have destroyed racks by lowering the bull to cow ratio and lessening the competition for breeding rights. I am not saying move to an open season policy like colorado, just harvest a few more bulls.