Private firearms sale question, please

[bigorange]

14 hours ago, trphyhntr said:

Straight to jail 

 

[bigorange]

13 hours ago, WhtMtnHunter said:

If it was me, I would use an FFL to transfer guns these days.  Too many people that can't pass a NICS check and try to buy private party.  I don't want to be at the end of an ATF trace with just a piece of paper or a phone number.  

I’ve had similar concerns when thinking I might sell one…just one of the reasons I keep accumulating and not liquidating. 😁

[IA Born]

Hey Brother, Bruce!  I've done the bill of sale to cover my tracks multiple times and never had a problem and I ask for a CCW, which is usually good enough for me.  I know a few of what you're selling will go quickly here, especially that Tikka T3 in .308!  You know I'll help you anyway I can!

[Boarman03]

I have a nice bill of sale I will share with you. I'm not an attorney nor am I giving you legal advice, but when you read it it covers most all of the bases.

If you don't feel comfortable selling to somebody, don't sell it. There are many good guys on here and you can only background check so far.

A lot of us have current CCW permits, and that's not a guarantee, but there are a lot of good guy's that don't have CCW permits.

Also, Felons are pretty much prohibited from getting a hunting license. You can ask the buyer if they possess a current hunting license and have them show you that. 

 

[TR0UBLE SH00TER]

9 hours ago, Boarman03 said:

Also, Felons are pretty much prohibited from getting a hunting license. You can ask the buyer if they possess a current hunting license and have them show you that. 

 

I'm pretty sure felons can obtain an AZ hunting license as they're legally allowed to posses and use archery equipment.

 

[Boarman03]

1 hour ago, TR0UBLE SH00TER said:

I'm pretty sure felons can obtain an AZ hunting license as they're legally allowed to posses and use archery equipment.

 

According to What I read on line, they may also be prohibited from crossbows and bows, as well as long knives as the are considered dangerous weapons as well. 

And as I posted, "pretty much prohibited", possibly not 100%. Just an additional possible help for verification of valid rights to purchase.

If we can show that we tried to verify, we all know there are ways to get around anything, then we are less likely to have problems down the road.

It was an additional suggestion that I only ran across because I read this post and then looked it up.

Remotely a CCW permit may have been revoked yet a person could still use it if the date of expiration has not occured.

A hunting license is usually not given to a felon, especially with a waterfowl stamp.

A person swearing they are not a felon in a bill of sale is only as good as the person's word, but shows intent not to sell to a felon. 

There is no guarantee, but transferring through an FFL is the safest because then the onus is on the ATF. But let's face it, they are the only "perfect" agency, right?

The OP's question is a good one because even if one is innocent it can cost over a hundred thousand dollars in attorney fees to prove it! Unfortunately we are considered guilty until we prove ourselves innocent!!!!

[Lucafu1]

3 hours ago, TR0UBLE SH00TER said:

I'm pretty sure felons can obtain an AZ hunting license as they're legally allowed to posses and use archery equipment.

 

And muzzle loaders. They're not considered firearms but there is a lot of conflicting stuff on this online so I'm not positive. 

[CatfishKev]

12 hours ago, TR0UBLE SH00TER said:

I'm pretty sure felons can obtain an AZ hunting license as they're legally allowed to posses and use archery equipment.

 

Ive known more then one felon that hunts. One specifically gets license and tags and hunts rifle hunts.  Just because it may be illegal doesn't mean there's a system set in place to stop them from doing it.  If I'm honest the guys I'm thinking of I don't have a problem at all with the fact that they are hunters because I know they're done with the dumb s*** in their life. 

[CatfishKev]

I will add to that last post though. I wouldn't sell those guys a firearm knowing they were a felon.  Just making the point that a felon can obtain a hunting license which I'm fine with if they're not doing felony type s*** with it.

[PatrickJr]

38 minutes ago, CatfishKev said:

Ive known more then one felon that hunts. One specifically gets license and tags and hunts rifle hunts.  Just because it may be illegal doesn't mean there's a system set in place to stop them from doing it.  If I'm honest the guys I'm thinking of I don't have a problem at all with the fact that they are hunters because I know they're done with the dumb s*** in their life. 

I heard that G&F and local LEOs knew about a felon who drew a desert sheep tag last year and they waited for him to show up on the hunt with a rifle to bust him. I was told the tag was able to get transferred to a vet and he killed a very nice ram. You should advise your buddy not to apply for rifle hunts

[CatfishKev]

19 minutes ago, PatrickJr said:

I heard that G&F and local LEOs knew about a felon who drew a desert sheep tag last year and they waited for him to show up on the hunt with a rifle to bust him. I was told the tag was able to get transferred to a vet and he killed a very nice ram. You should advise your buddy not to apply for rifle hunts

That's a them problem not a me problem.  I assume they know the risk they are taking and if not, still not my problem.  

I do believe even a felon that has paid their debt to society should have a reasonable way to defend themselves and their family if need be.  But the legality of my opinion is that my opinion is still just an opinion.  Not every felon wants to continue that life route and if I'm honest I'm not sure how that type of law should be approached.  I'm just glad I'm not a politician to make these decisions that apply to a whole blanket of people.  I definitely see both sides of the argument here.