cactusjack Report post Posted March 14 Definitely feel free to post your pics and comments. When I first got interested in suppressors, I had so many ideas from what I had heard over the years. I had a friend induct me into the cult, and since I have been helping others become addicts as well. I'm not the absolute authority on all things NFA, but I have a solid base and all my own opinions. Mostly based on facts-as I see them, others based on what I have heard. Suppressors have changed so much in the 15+ years I have been doing this, and so has the process to own them. They have lightened my pocketbook, but really helped me enjoy shooting/hunting with my family and friends. I am available to answer questions. I work at a shop and obviously we do it the best, however I actually don't care where you get started, I want people to be informed and be happy with their purchase. Im inserting a couple pics of things I uploaded on CWT over the years. Just for fun... Enfield_Innovative_Arms_integral_45acp_2_(2).mp4 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firstcoueswas80 Report post Posted March 14 Steve is the man! He made my checkbook $1300 lighter, but he's the man! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cactusjack Report post Posted April 1 I guess I'm the only person interested in a suppressor/nfa thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tony Nile Report post Posted April 1 OK, I'll bite. - What's an estimate all in price for a suppressor to use on both a .22 pistol and rifle (both already have threaded barrels)? I'm talking suppressor, stamp fees etc... - Could the same suppressor be used on a .223 AR? - What is an estimated time to get it from the start of the application process? - Explain the process/cost/ need for getting a trust for it, vs me buying it under my name. - If bought under a trust could I legally let a friend borrow and use it w/o me being present? Thanks! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
richs4839 Report post Posted April 1 @cactusjack - Steve is a great resource and a great guy. Helped me through the whole process. Couldn't have been easier. The whole process took 2 days. Wallet is $1,000 lighter but knew that going into it. Thanks again Steve! @Tony NileSteve will get you your answers. The whole process took 2 days. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cactusjack Report post Posted April 1 Great question. The first thing you do is actually buy the suppressor. You pay up front for it, decide how to own it. Decide wisely, you own it. Costs 200 to transfer it to someone else in addition to the paperwork. How to own it is the part where there are options. It is transferred to you from the dealer on a Form 4, there is a 200 dollar tax each time a Form 4 is submitted. So if you buy 2 suppressors, its 2 tax stamps. Finger prints and photos are submitted with the form 4. Personal- You put it in your name. You submit your prints and pic. You have to be present when it is being used. When you die, your heir can do a tax free transfer on a Form 5. Can be confusing to the people that get your stuff. Corporation- Form a corporation. It can own them. I dont see it often and the couple I have seen were people paying another 200 per item to get them out of their corp because they were closing it or selling it with a corp asset. (ie beach house in Rocky Point) Trust- My preferred method, but I dont push it on anyone, just remind them of the conversation....I told you so.... when you buy on a trust. Each trust is written differently but the one I use allows me to have multiple users and actually assign temp members to the trust. But lets go with the Trustee/Responsible person/persons. They have to do fingerprints and submit a passport pic when they buy an item. The tax stamp is paid and the paperwork is submitted. In all cases, a copy is required to be sent to your county LEO. They dont have to approve it, but they get notified. In the olden days, before computers, the only way to send in forms was doing paper forms. You still can do them that way. It takes longer and requires mailing printed forms and actual ink prints and photos. Most people do not do them this way currently, unless buying a NFA item from an individual. (ie Machine gun, destructive device or rare suppressor) E-file The modern way. Your dealer files the form 4 for you electronically, you docusign them. You set up an account with the ATF. This account gives you a personal login and private personal identification number. Once your forms are submitted, the ATF send a notification to have you certify that yes you are buying this item. Once that is done, they process the forms, and once they are approved you and your dealer get an email with a picture of your approved stamp on it. At that point you can go pick up your item. You do a 4473 to have it transferred but they do not normally have to do another background check. That is the basics at this time. Things change..... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Edge Report post Posted April 1 Can my ARs flash suppressors be replaced by cans or is there additional machining.needed? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cactusjack Report post Posted April 1 People ask what is the best..... That depends on many things. How much you are willing to spend. How you are going to use it? How much you are willing to carry. What is available? This goes with everything, cars, guns boots..... I quit chasing the quietest suppressor. I go with manufactures that build quality products that perform well, and they stand behind them and are easy to deal with. Some companies warranty their products even if you make a mistake or have a failure. Others, you are on your own. A all in one can. Some people want to have one can or suppressor and use it on everything. It can be done, however there are big trade offs. A rimfire can should be taken apart and cleaned on a regular basis. They have lead and powder build up inside. They get dirty. You can shoot 22 through 556 and larger cans, but when you shoot the full blast rounds through them you vaporize toxic mess. I avoid aluminum rimfire cans, because you can not dip them in a solution that cleans them easily. I go with titanium or stainless steel. Serviceable rifle cans are an option that you can clean. They have their own issues. When you clean them, you change the can and typically get a point of impact shift (have to adjust scope) Rifle cans. I never clean my muffler or catalytic converter or my rifle cans. They are self cleaning. The attachment point, threads or mounts need to be cleaned, but not the can internals. I always ask how you are planning on using it. If you are bench shooting, backpack hunting, or are a 556 mag dump guy, I can advise you as to which way to look. Steel cans are heavy but can take a beating. Titanium is lightweight and more expensive but cant take tons of heat. I do not use my titanium cans on my machine guns unless I want to see real expensive sparkler. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cactusjack Report post Posted April 1 3 minutes ago, Edge said: Can my ARs flash suppressors be replaced by cans or is there additional machining.needed? yes and depending on how they are manufactured. Most AR15 556 threaded barrels are threaded 1/2x28. Most AR10 barrels and 300blk are threaded 5/8x24. I said most. Some crazy stuff has been done, but these are the standard now. where we come into issues is with custom threaded rifles. Some oddball stuff out there or the smith didnt thread the barrel concentric to the bore. If they are only putting a brake on it, the brake is short, the bullet path typically doesnt intersect with the metal. With a 6 inch or longer suppressor, the threads being concentric to the bore is pretty important, unless you like a bigger hole in an odd location on the end or side of your suppressor. We use alignment rods to check the bullet path. If you have a rifle with a birdcage flash hider, they typically have a crush washer on it for timing it. When you use a suppressor, we do not use those crush washers. We want the can or the muzzle device indexed on the square shoulder of the barrel or on the taper with a tapered mount. to give you a solid answer, taking the flash suppressor off and checking. Pictures might give us an idea. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cactusjack Report post Posted April 1 Rimfire cans cost between 200 and 600, plus other fees and taxes. Taxes being local, state and the 200 federal tax stamp. Rifle cans cost between 400 to 2000, depending on many factors. There is not a great market for used suppressors since new ones are still legal to produce and own privately. The technology has advanced so much that the newer cans perform so much better and are so much lighter than the older ones it kinda makes them a hold on to item. Plus like I said earlier the 200 tax stamp must be paid each time they change hands on a form 4. Example 1. Your buddy in Montana has a rifle can that he is offering you for 500 dollars. Sounds like a decent price. From state to state NFA items can not be transferred on a form 4. It must be on a form 3. So it costs 200 to get it moved onto a form 3 by a Montana dealer. That dealer typically charges a fee to transfer it to a dealer in Az. The Az dealer charges a fee to receive it and do the forms to get it back on a form 4 to you. You pay 200 to get it on that form 4. so you are now into that can for 500+200+100+100+200= Too much for a used can. Example 2. Your buddy has a can and is asking 500. He lives in your same state. You can do a person to person form 4 as long as you both live in the same state. So its only 500+200+you have to do all your own paperwork or pay a dealer (SOT not just a FFL dealer) 100 to do it= too much for a used can, unless it is something special or it is a smokin deal. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Edge Report post Posted April 1 Isn't Trump talking about getting rid of ATFs oversight on suppressors? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cactusjack Report post Posted April 1 (edited) Some more suppressor related porn Integral 22s, one a High Standard HDM knockoff of the OSS and one a modern version. My Glock 40mos javelina rig. My youngest son with his Savage Rascal My V7 6mmArc stupid lightweight build My Marlin Dark 45/70 with a Silencerco Hybrid 46M and my son shooting my Rem 700 308. He weighed almost as much as the rifle at the time. 865168_10200796486705122_1123630709_n (1).mp4 Edited April 1 by cactusjack added a name of the gun 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigorange Report post Posted April 1 Nice thread. Thanks for starting…I’ll be contacting you when I need my checkbook lightened again. 😁 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Edge Report post Posted April 2 Isn't Trump talking about getting rid of ATFs oversight on suppressors? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Couzer Report post Posted April 2 2 hours ago, Edge said: Isn't Trump talking about getting rid of ATFs oversight on suppressors? They like the $200 more and more, easy money 💰 🤑 💸, no way those stamps are going away. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
