Landowner Tags

[stillatmaxpoints]

There is so much misinformation posted on this topic, especially on ranches and there ownership and subsidies they get, less than 1%, but on a forum like this you can say anything, you will not be held accountable for it and we all understand that.

Landowner tags, permits or vouchers can and do have a place in hunting if structured properly.

For those that do not want them in any form at all, just remember if you participate in the Conservation First AZBGSR super raffle and you buy tickets for the Colorado or New Mexico bull elk hunts then you are supporting landowner tags, permits, or vouchers, because both of those hunts are landowner tags. 

[idgaf]

1 hour ago, stillatmaxpoints said:

There is so much misinformation posted on this topic, especially on ranches and there ownership and subsidies they get, less than 1%, but on a forum like this you can say anything, you will not be held accountable for it and we all understand that.

Landowner tags, permits or vouchers can and do have a place in hunting if structured properly.

For those that do not want them in any form at all, just remember if you participate in the Conservation First AZBGSR super raffle and you buy tickets for the Colorado or New Mexico bull elk hunts then you are supporting landowner tags, permits, or vouchers, because both of those hunts are landowner tags. 

With all due respect, the super raffle is one tag not the amount that will effect populations and draws.  

Az already has a protocol to deal with nuisance farmland wild game.   It's depredation tags.  

 

[stillatmaxpoints]

Those are landowner tags in colorado and new mexico are not for depredation. 

If you don't draw a antelope tag in the arizona draw and you buy a antelope landowner tag in new mexico, so you can hunt antelope you are supporting landowner tags  

[wildwoody]

7 hours ago, firstcoueswas80 said:

I dont think its the other peoples property that's in question. It's the critters on the land that we own, and the private property owner being able to sell our animals for profit.

Now that isn't even a question, and probably not even on private property. And we the people own the critters . This is fact. Good conversation.

[wildwoody]

10 hours ago, thegunsmith2506 said:

So man made water is all the exists? Nope!

No man didn't makes thy H2O , the sky did, we dug the some holes. Man made water, crazy

[Coues247]

5 hours ago, stillatmaxpoints said:

There is so much misinformation posted on this topic, especially on ranches and there ownership and subsidies they get, less than 1%, but on a forum like this you can say anything, you will not be held accountable for it and we all understand that.

Landowner tags, permits or vouchers can and do have a place in hunting if structured properly.

For those that do not want them in any form at all, just remember if you participate in the Conservation First AZBGSR super raffle and you buy tickets for the Colorado or New Mexico bull elk hunts then you are supporting landowner tags, permits, or vouchers, because both of those hunts are landowner tags. 

I put in for several other states including California so does that mean I support the way California manages their wildlife and I would also like AZ to manage it the same way? I can participate in activities available in other states that they have already implemented without wanting the same in AZ. GTF outta here with ridiculous comparisons like that. 

[thegunsmith2506]

7 hours ago, Coues247 said:

I put in for several other states including California so does that mean I support the way California manages their wildlife and I would also like AZ to manage it the same way? I can participate in activities available in other states that they have already implemented without wanting the same in AZ. GTF outta here with ridiculous comparisons like that. 

He clearly has a vested interest in landowner tags. He also states "facts" that are not real. 

[idgaf]

11 hours ago, stillatmaxpoints said:

Those are landowner tags in colorado and new mexico are not for depredation. 

If you don't draw a antelope tag in the arizona draw and you buy a antelope landowner tag in new mexico, so you can hunt antelope you are supporting landowner tags  

In az, when a landowner stresses their concern g&f issues a depredation tag.  When the concern is consistent like the hay farm by Heber they create otc units. 

[JSR]

So...when will the credit card update deadline be announced?

[wildwoody]

16 hours ago, stillatmaxpoints said:

There is so much misinformation posted on this topic, especially on ranches and there ownership and subsidies they get, less than 1%, but on a forum like this you can say anything, you will not be held accountable for it and we all understand that.

Landowner tags, permits or vouchers can and do have a place in hunting if structured properly.

For those that do not want them in any form at all, just remember if you participate in the Conservation First AZBGSR super raffle and you buy tickets for the Colorado or New Mexico bull elk hunts then you are supporting landowner tags, permits, or vouchers, because both of those hunts are landowner tags. 

If you don't like us, don't let the door hit you in the axx. And you have all the facts. 

[runningbird]

20 hours ago, Oakley said:

Most large ranches in AZ are owned by nonresident millionaires using the ranch as a right off. Fact. 

and a couple in state car dealers.

[HuntHarder]

2 hours ago, wildwoody said:

If you don't like us, don't let the door hit you in the axx. And you have all the facts. 

Can this site afford to lose any more people?  What is there, like maybe 30 active members?  Guy hasn't been rude or a dick. 

[creed]

I can't believe some of the stuff I'm reading. I had a 2 year war with G&F over crop damage from javelina. It wasn't any small amount either but was tens of thousands of dollars a year. I was told so sad too bad. Other than lip service there was absolutely nothing they would do. Also found out the state owns the animals. Looking back I should have hired an attorney and fought it in court.

I opened the farm up to any hunter that would ask permission. Even at that the trash and vandalism was crazy. Having experienced what the hunting public can do and wildlife damage  I would support LO tags if they were structured properly.

And how many hunt where improved livestock waters are the only source of water? Cattlemen have down far more for wildlife than the harm to the environment that cattle cause.

[firstcoueswas80]

12 minutes ago, creed said:

I can't believe some of the stuff I'm reading. I had a 2 year war with G&F over crop damage from javelina. It wasn't any small amount either but was tens of thousands of dollars a year. I was told so sad too bad. Other than lip service there was absolutely nothing they would do. Also found out the state owns the animals. Looking back I should have hired an attorney and fought it in court.

I opened the farm up to any hunter that would ask permission. Even at that the trash and vandalism was crazy. Having experienced what the hunting public can do and wildlife damage  I would support LO tags if they were structured properly.

And how many hunt where improved livestock waters are the only source of water? Cattlemen have down far more for wildlife than the harm to the environment that cattle cause.

I'll bring my son and come kill some pigs and respect your property.

[idgaf]

Would you guys be willing to lose santa margarita ranch for landowner tags?    The owner doesn't care for hunting and would absolutely throw the tags in the garbage and not see another hunter.