4huntrs Report post Posted February 12 The problem I think it’s a slippery slope when you start down this path. Like many other states, hunting is to the highest bidder. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RNGRDOG Report post Posted February 12 18 minutes ago, HuntHarder said: Easy to see who owns land on here and who doesn't. If I owned a large ranch I would want a land owner tag. Non-transferable and only valid for your land. That is how some states do it and I completely agree with it. Now, if you restrict wildlife from coming and going freely, then no. For what purpose? To side step the draw? Certainly it's not to reduce the population for damage on your property reasons right? What will killing one elk accomplish? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stillatmaxpoints Report post Posted February 12 Man and Wildlife in Arizona The American Exploration Period 1824-1865 By Goode P Davis JR G&F used to sell this book. This book is in the words of the people that explored Arizona, There were no elk in Arizona at that time except the Merrians elk in the white mountains where there was year round live water.. The party that crossed the Coconino plateau first almost starved no water no wildlife, finally they did find a Grizzly on Mt Hope and killed him for food. the development of stock tanks by ranchers in the late 1800's until present times expanded the wildlife range immensely, many of the ranchers i know leave there waters on for wildlife even if they do not have cattle in those pastures at different times of the year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HuntHarder Report post Posted February 12 31 minutes ago, RNGRDOG said: For what purpose? To side step the draw? Certainly it's not to reduce the population for damage on your property reasons right? What will killing one elk accomplish? 100% to side step the draw. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RNGRDOG Report post Posted February 12 11 minutes ago, HuntHarder said: 100% to side step the draw. 100% bullshit. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HuntHarder Report post Posted February 12 Easy bud, it's just my opinion. I'm not out campaigning on it. Guys on here get all ate up when land gets locked up by landowners, but never go out and do anything to prevent it. Az is unique in that, lots of the larger ranches are only 50ish percent actual private and the rest is checkerboarded. I am not with that, as it is not all their land. I assume you have never hunted out of state? Montana has some really good agreements in place to keep land open, as does North Dakota and many others. Would be kind of shitty if you owned a 1000 acres and never got to shoot a deer off it because it was in a "hard to draw area". We are talking 1 tag, non-transferable and only for your specific and identified land. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RNGRDOG Report post Posted February 12 Ok, G&F gives you a tag, and you make your 1000 acres fully open to the public. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegunsmith2506 Report post Posted February 12 56 minutes ago, stillatmaxpoints said: Man and Wildlife in Arizona The American Exploration Period 1824-1865 By Goode P Davis JR G&F used to sell this book. This book is in the words of the people that explored Arizona, There were no elk in Arizona at that time except the Merrians elk in the white mountains where there was year round live water.. The party that crossed the Coconino plateau first almost starved no water no wildlife, finally they did find a Grizzly on Mt Hope and killed him for food. the development of stock tanks by ranchers in the late 1800's until present times expanded the wildlife range immensely, many of the ranchers i know leave there waters on for wildlife even if they do not have cattle in those pastures at different times of the year. You should read that book. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HuntHarder Report post Posted February 12 21 minutes ago, RNGRDOG said: Ok, G&F gives you a tag, and you make your 1000 acres fully open to the public. Do a little research and look up block management in Montana. Pretty cool concept, that I utilized, to hunt some areas in 2024 for Mule deer. Everything can be a give and take. The biggest reason landowners are cutting off access is because of asshole hunters and other recreators destroying their land. I would wager that any reasonable person would do the same. I can go back 20 years ago and remember helping landowners do work on their land in exchange for hunting access to waterfowl and other game. I used to burn salt cedars, pick up trash and help him post no trespassing signs. The amount of vandalism and dumping on his land was crazy. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RNGRDOG Report post Posted February 12 12 minutes ago, thegunsmith2506 said: You should read that book. Not sure who you are saying this to, but I have read that book. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stillatmaxpoints Report post Posted February 12 i did read the book, there was lots of wildlife where there was year round water Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RNGRDOG Report post Posted February 12 18 minutes ago, HuntHarder said: Do a little research and look up block management in Montana. Pretty cool concept, that I utilized, to hunt some areas in 2024 for Mule deer. Everything can be a give and take. The biggest reason landowners are cutting off access is because of asshole hunters and other recreators destroying their land. I would wager that any reasonable person would do the same. I can go back 20 years ago and remember helping landowners do work on their land in exchange for hunting access to waterfowl and other game. I used to burn salt cedars, pick up trash and help him post no trespassing signs. The amount of vandalism and dumping on his land was crazy. I currently have permission to hunt a couple large ranches in AZ that are not open to the general public that have been closed for those (and other) reasons, and help out on those ranches similar to what you've done. That's not new, and I agree on give & take. However, all I've heard is we want to give tags to landowners, but no mention of anything in return. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oakley Report post Posted February 12 Most large ranches in AZ are owned by nonresident millionaires using the ranch as a right off. Fact. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oakley Report post Posted February 12 1 Working cowboy does more for wildlife than 1000 hunters do Most Large ranches are partially subsidized for maintaining roads and water catchments by Azgfd, MDF,NWTF,RMEF,BLM,DU,BOR, NFS 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stillatmaxpoints Report post Posted February 12 i did read the book, there was lots of wildlife where there was year round water Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
