Explorer Report post Posted February 11 21 hours ago, Flatlander said: It’s true that when landowners approach these issues as a unified community it can be tough for other, less cohesive voices to be heard. I don’t see anyone’s faith being a major component of the issue. Rather it’s a community of like minded neighbors working together for what they feel is the best interest of their profession and lifestyle. It is on us to synchronize our voices in a way that they carry equal weight with AHJ’s. Not trying to offend anyone but as a Gen x who grew up in small town AZ, faith was what mattered. Not right or wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
elkaholic Report post Posted February 11 Funny landowners true story. New boss from out-of-state bought a lot near Munds Park. He bought and parked a new rv on his lot. He knows I'm an avid hunter. He calls me over and asks who he has to talk too, about getting his landowners elk tag.. I laughed so hard , it hurt my sides! Needles to say. I just gave him the Game and Fish phone number. Figured they needed a good laugh too! Guess who was the first one laid-off! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firstcoueswas80 Report post Posted February 11 In my opinion, granting landowner tags symbolizes the landowners owning the animals which they obviously don't. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Explorer Report post Posted February 11 How about 20 years ago when the ranchers wanted all the elk gone in the multi unit areas of 17, 18 and 19. " Get these elk out of our ranches they are ruining cattle grazing" fast forward a few years and maybe one ranch still gives you access to hunt these " invading creatures". Guides moved in and now you gotta pay? I say break down the units. Only issue 15 tags in 18b to give a big middle finger to the Bacca. And let the elk herd grow into a stable ,huntable population for us to enjoy. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegunsmith2506 Report post Posted February 11 20 minutes ago, Explorer said: How about 20 years ago when the ranchers wanted all the elk gone in the multi unit areas of 17, 18 and 19. " Get these elk out of our ranches they are ruining cattle grazing" fast forward a few years and maybe one ranch still gives you access to hunt these " invading creatures". Guides moved in and now you gotta pay? I say break down the units. Only issue 15 tags in 18b to give a big middle finger to the Bacca. And let the elk herd grow into a stable ,huntable population for us to enjoy. Ran into this when my wife had that tag. I was told which ranches would give permission due to winter wheat crop damage. Turns out a guide had swooped in and they all told us to talk to him. He wanted a $500 fee just for us to gain access and hunt on our own. Landowner tags will ruin hunting even more. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stillatmaxpoints Report post Posted February 11 if you were the private landowner, and in most cases, it is ranches, mostly in northwest Arizona. What would you do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Explorer Report post Posted February 11 Die and let my kids sell the real estate and water rights. As usual. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stillatmaxpoints Report post Posted February 11 that has nothing to do with the topic being discussed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stanley Report post Posted February 11 I'm a fan of landowner tags only in New Mexico, where my sons and I hunt pronghorn every year. LOL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Explorer Report post Posted February 11 26 minutes ago, stanley said: I'm a fan of landowner tags only in New Mexico, where my sons and I hunt pronghorn every year. LOL Watched a whole herd of trophy antelope in Prescott valley get killed / removed just to build houses. Grandville in 19a. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Explorer Report post Posted February 11 1 hour ago, stillatmaxpoints said: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Explorer Report post Posted February 11 3 minutes ago, Explorer said: 1 hour ago, stillatmaxpoints said: that has nothing to do with the topic being discussed Land owners don't own wild game. This is not england and they are not the kings deer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Explorer Report post Posted February 11 Forfeit dollar for dollar amount on game hunting for agricultural tax credits. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bojangles Report post Posted February 11 Missouri has landowner tags. The system seems to work well. But you can’t transfer them. It’s just for landowners to hunt their own property. if they would let us bait animals again, private property is a non-issue. You can just always lure them off with a bale of hay. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stillatmaxpoints Report post Posted February 11 The landowner does own the game animal but they do supply water and browse and grazing for wildlife, water is the key, most of the units in northern Az especially the coconino plateau was devoid of water and wildlife in the 1800's until the ranching ventures developed waters for livestock, early explorers verify that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
