oz31p Report post Posted January 15 It’s to bait them into litigation. Sadly too often the officers are used to people forfeiting their right so when some one actually knows their rights they loose their cool. I say this from a Leo family/household with plenty of IA experience. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Healy Arms Report post Posted January 22 Attorneys love to flex with the cops and cops, like all of us really, hate to be wrong and called out. Very common thing. Knowing this is half the battle. The other half is knowing what protections citizens have via the constitution and the various court cases that have shaped current application of 1st, 4th & 5th amendments (these come up the most in daily policing) in daily practical/modern situations is the other half. As an officer it's wise to respect the intentions of the country's framers, know you're an agent of the government with limited but potent authority and stay calm. Going thru an ego posturing session is pointless and usually makes you look foolish. Walking away tail-tucked knowing you should have shut the heck up 1-5 minutes ago sucks, so know when to do that. My opinion on the encounter is thus: The officers should have approached the encounter as a conversation -- are you guys here for a hunt? No? Just camping? Great. Now create some small talk if it's possible and have a positive contact with the folks while staying aware while listening for contradictory statements and looking for signs of illegal activity. Unless you've seen something, heard something or witnessed an activity that can be construed as "hunting" you're really at the mercy of the man's statement, and quite honestly most people aren't doing crooked stuff so just chill out and talk to people. I have a many years-old experience in this specific arena from the citizen side. A group I was with was approached by AZGFD while we were legit camping, fireside sitting & beer/soda drinking -- no other activities -- and the guy was insistent on seeing our hunting licenses. He was refused that request because no one was hunting and we had nothing more than carry pistols inside the vehicles. The dude kinda lost his marbles and started to get angry. Then he wanted to search ice chests. He was declined that request, but kindly offered a chair, a spot at the fire and something cold to drink. Eventually he had to just leave. His whole approach sucked. It was a strange encounter and definitely a one-off. Never had that happen before or since. Everybody has the occasional bad day and I simply let it go. The most effective cops I've worked with were short on flex and big on being knowledgeable professionals who were approachable and widely conversant. They were far from being pushovers, but they knew when to apply authority and force and that was always when they needed to and legally could. It's all in the approach. That's my two cents. Mark Healy 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ctafoya Report post Posted January 22 Society is in the wrong here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coues247 Report post Posted January 22 1 hour ago, ctafoya said: Society is in the wrong here. Huh? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flatlander Report post Posted January 22 23 hours ago, Healy Arms said: Attorneys love to flex with the cops and cops, like all of us really, hate to be wrong and called out. Very common thing. Knowing this is half the battle. The other half is knowing what protections citizens have via the constitution and the various court cases that have shaped current application of 1st, 4th & 5th amendments (these come up the most in daily policing) in daily practical/modern situations is the other half. As an officer it's wise to respect the intentions of the country's framers, know you're an agent of the government with limited but potent authority and stay calm. Going thru an ego posturing session is pointless and usually makes you look foolish. Walking away tail-tucked knowing you should have shut the heck up 1-5 minutes ago sucks, so know when to do that. My opinion on the encounter is thus: The officers should have approached the encounter as a conversation -- are you guys here for a hunt? No? Just camping? Great. Now create some small talk if it's possible and have a positive contact with the folks while staying aware while listening for contradictory statements and looking for signs of illegal activity. Unless you've seen something, heard something or witnessed an activity that can be construed as "hunting" you're really at the mercy of the man's statement, and quite honestly most people aren't doing crooked stuff so just chill out and talk to people. I have a many years-old experience in this specific arena from the citizen side. A group I was with was approached by AZGFD while we were legit camping, fireside sitting & beer/soda drinking -- no other activities -- and the guy was insistent on seeing our hunting licenses. He was refused that request because no one was hunting and we had nothing more than carry pistols inside the vehicles. The dude kinda lost his marbles and started to get angry. Then he wanted to search ice chests. He was declined that request, but kindly offered a chair, a spot at the fire and something cold to drink. Eventually he had to just leave. His whole approach sucked. It was a strange encounter and definitely a one-off. Never had that happen before or since. Everybody has the occasional bad day and I simply let it go. The most effective cops I've worked with were short on flex and big on being knowledgeable professionals who were approachable and widely conversant. They were far from being pushovers, but they knew when to apply authority and force and that was always when they needed to and legally could. It's all in the approach. That's my two cents. Mark Healy Perfectly said. It’s great to see some logical unbiased thoughts here. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildwoody Report post Posted January 23 On 1/14/2025 at 7:25 PM, 25-06 said: The way I've always been told is when you're camping your camp is your domain. Same rules applies for your house. Id agree but probably wouldn't hold up in court. Law enforcement can walk thru your front door if its not locked. Or so they do up here . Aren't game wardens the most powerful law enforcement officers ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Couescrazy33 Report post Posted January 23 20 minutes ago, wildwoody said: Id agree but probably wouldn't hold up in court. Law enforcement can walk thru your front door if its not locked. Or so they do up here . Aren't game wardens the most powerful law enforcement officers ? Hope they are not walking through a front door without a warrant. Campsites are public land. Only expectation of privacy would be your trailer and vehicle. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bwana Report post Posted January 23 If he runs your license plate and gets your name, you're going on the Do Not Draw a Tag list in their system! LOL I'm always nice to those guys! (It's all digital now) 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
