2025 Elk Regs up

[cactusjack]

1 hour ago, bwana said:

it's a simple thing! If you can't draw a bow, you can't qualify for an archery hunt! You must apply for rifle hunts! Life is tough! Please stop enabling, crossguns are not bows! 

that is pretty simple, simpleminded anyway.  I am a disabled veteran, with service connected medical issues that make it impossible to use a traditional bow. I bow hunted before and now you are saying, tough shoot.  Life is tough. Tougher when people push down those with challenges.   

[Roofer Billy]

1 minute ago, cactusjack said:

that is pretty simple, simpleminded anyway.  I am a disabled veteran, with service connected medical issues that make it impossible to use a traditional bow. I bow hunted before and now you are saying, tough shoot.  Life is tough. Tougher when people push down those with challenges.   

Cactus Jack thank you for your service. And I agree 100%

 

[cactusjack]

thank you Roofer Billy. 

Lets get to what archery hunting in Az was when the first season was established.  

From what I can find, the first Archery Deer and Javelina seasons were in 1956.  So lets call that a traditional archery hunt.  The compound bow wasnt invented until 1966 and patented in 1969.  So the first 14-15 years, long bows and recurve were your choice.  Zero let off.  Effective hunting ranges out to 40 yards.     If we are going to push out who we deem as enabled, lets go all the way.  No let off, no mechanical release, no laser range finder, no carbon arrows, ect.  

[bwana]

I have an opinion sir, just like all of us, to be respected. My question is when can we apply for the hunts? The application system is still closed!

[AZBIG10]

On 1/11/2025 at 10:52 AM, NOTAGS said:

My orthopedist refused to sign  the crossbow permit originally due to the 85% disability wording….,,it took surgery #3 to get it signed.  Yeah,they get abused, a buddy got one and there’s nothing wrong with his ability to shoot a compound, his doc just scribbled away when he asked her.  I feel bad for the people that really need one and want to hunt with one getting bumped to general hunts tho.   But it’s all a moot point from here on out

Defrauding a government entity for the sake of increasing harvesting odds is weak. Learn to get closer. 

 

I propose that if a special Xbow permit is required during archery a 5 year cool down period. Might change some people’s tunes. people abuse tf out of point guard. Can we make this go away too?

[PRDATR]

7 hours ago, bwana said:

it's a simple thing! If you can't draw a bow, you can't qualify for an archery hunt! You must apply for rifle hunts! Life is tough! Please stop enabling, crossguns are not bows! 

There was a lot of push way back when it was originally proposed as many knew it was bound get abused and had the exact same opinion. But here we are. It gets abused just like signing over a tag to a child so daddy can feel good and post pics all in the name of hunter retention.

[Flatlander]

1 hour ago, PRDATR said:

There was a lot of push way back when it was originally proposed as many knew it was bound get abused and had the exact same opinion. But here we are. It gets abused just like signing over a tag to a child so daddy can feel good and post pics all in the name of hunter retention.

😘 

[Crazymonkey]

The biggest  racket is not the dad's transferring  tags there kids but the bonus pool tag returned  crap . Those abusing  the bonus  system  and the fact that not all of the people  on a application  are required  to turn in there tag if one of them decided  to turn there's back in . It's becoming  a pay the guy with  the max points system  . That's where the real abusing  is taking  place . Just wait for the classified  section  to blow up with  people  looking for guys with  lots of points for elk and anelope.  

[wildwoody]

This has been talked about. Bottom line its legal, point guard is buy the applicant not the application. Not saying I like it but legal. And you can only us point guard once. 

[Swivelhead]

9 hours ago, cactusjack said:

Lets get to what archery hunting in Az was when the first season was established.  

From what I can find, the first Archery Deer and Javelina seasons were in 1956.  So lets call that a traditional archery hunt.  The compound bow wasnt invented until 1966 and patented in 1969.  So the first 14-15 years, long bows and recurve were your choice.  Zero let off.  Effective hunting ranges out to 40 yards.     If we are going to push out who we deem as enabled, lets go all the way.  No let off, no mechanical release, no laser range finder, no carbon arrows, ect.  

Best post on this thread.

Heck yeah, put the primitive back in "primitive" weapon hunts. Up next, muzzleloader rules need to be updated.

[idgaf]

15 minutes ago, Swivelhead said:

Best post on this thread.

Heck yeah, put the primitive back in "primitive" weapon hunts. Up next, muzzleloader rules need to be updated.

I am all in for making hunting retro.  Traditional bows and muzzys and Fixed power scopes for general hunts.   

This would give the animals a chance grow to maturity.  

 

[Flatlander]

57 minutes ago, idgaf said:

I am all in for making hunting retro.  Traditional bows and muzzys and Fixed power scopes for general hunts.   

This would give the animals a chance grow to maturity.  

 

Shoot you hunt that way anyway!

[trphyhntr]

Anybody see the army vet with one arm who shot a trophy bull using a compound and his mouth? I’d post it but I’m not trying to start too much more. Bad mfer that’s all 

[cactusjack]

It seems the only fair thing to do would be to get rid of OTC tags completely or go back to string and stick bows, recurve or longbow only. 20-40 yard shots.  You can still use your compound bow during Ham hunts, rifle hunts or muzzleloader hunts.  Just not in primitive weapon hunts.  Be careful giving preference to one group that is shooting non-primitive weapons over.  How can you defend modern compound bows with 80 to 90% let-off and condemn crossbows that someone followed the protocol and got approved?  

 

And then lets move on to muzzleloaders.  No more in-line, no more optics.  Then move on to GPS, OnX and radios.  

[idgaf]

17 minutes ago, cactusjack said:

It seems the only fair thing to do would be to get rid of OTC tags completely or go back to string and stick bows, recurve or longbow only. 20-40 yard shots.  You can still use your compound bow during Ham hunts, rifle hunts or muzzleloader hunts.  Just not in primitive weapon hunts.  Be careful giving preference to one group that is shooting non-primitive weapons over.  How can you defend modern compound bows with 80 to 90% let-off and condemn crossbows that someone followed the protocol and got approved?  

 

And then lets move on to muzzleloaders.  No more in-line, no more optics.  Then move on to GPS, OnX and radios.  

You're preaching to the choir!