2025 Elk Regs up

[trphyhntr]

1 hour ago, NOTAGS said:

 Been perverted. What’s that supposed to mean?   

Means people that don’t deserve champ permits get them. 

[Flatlander]

To be honest, I’ve been on plenty of hunts, archery and crossbow. I would never choose to shoot a crossbow over a vertical bow if I had the choice for a spot and stalk hunt. Carrying a tripod and that thing around, trying to cock it and hoping it doesn’t harpoon you in the mean time is horrible.

For sitting in a blind, they are great. A lot easier to shoot. But if I am capable of shooting a vertical, that’s the way I am going.

Kind of seems like a bunch of sour grapes from dudes who think a crossbow is something it isn’t.

[trphyhntr]

Nah. Dudes are shooting 3” groups with crossbows at 100 yards. It’s  entitled guys that want access to prime hunts but can’t use the required equipment 

[NOTAGS]

There guys shooting that with their adjustable pin, range zeroing  stuff  as it is. High tech compounds are not much different than xbows.

success rates are probably the same.

[Flatlander]

37 minutes ago, trphyhntr said:

Nah. Dudes are shooting 3” groups with crossbows at 100 yards. It’s  entitled guys that want access to prime hunts but can’t use the required equipment 

I don’t know if that is true or not. The hunters I have hunted with weren’t getting those kind of groups. But they weren’t like world class shooters either.

Do you know dudes getting those kinds of groups?

[trphyhntr]

30 minutes ago, Flatlander said:

I don’t know if that is true or not. The hunters I have hunted with weren’t getting those kind of groups. But they weren’t like world class shooters either.

Do you know dudes getting those kinds of groups?

 Personally no, all my friends are straight.
 

but 3 beer bellied country boys from outdoor life could do it in the wind. It’s time to stop the cope. 

 

and dude are allowed to use airbows here with the permits, right? Blowing through elk at 100 and sticking in trees at 130 behind them. It’s over. 
 

if you can’t shoot a bow apply For general and use a crossbow. 
 

they’re legal For muzzleloader also right? Idk.

[trphyhntr]

46 minutes ago, NOTAGS said:

There guys shooting that with their adjustable pin, range zeroing  stuff  as it is. High tech compounds are not much different than xbows.

success rates are probably the same.

There's guys shooting 3.5” groups at 100 with a compound, who? Brady Ellison? Give me a break. 
 

 

[Flatlander]

32 minutes ago, trphyhntr said:

 Personally no, all my friends are straight.
 

but 3 beer bellied country boys from outdoor life could do it in the wind. It’s time to stop the cope. 

 

and dude are allowed to use airbows here with the permits, right? Blowing through elk at 100 and sticking in trees at 130 behind them. It’s over. 
 

if you can’t shoot a bow apply For general and use a crossbow. 
 

they’re legal For muzzleloader also right? Idk.

Maybe just check one out before you start throwing stuff out there. We have an R10X and my kid who isn’t an expert but also isn’t “beer bellied” couldn’t shoot those kinds of groups practicing for 30 min 3-5x per week.

No idea on airbows. I know people hate them but I haven’t ever seen one in the field. Seems like having to carry compressed air around would be a major limitation. Are these things really having a negative impact on the industry?

Aren’t the trad bow guys making the same claim about compounds? It’s the same concept, just a different measure on the spectrum. Everyone wants their own methods included and nothing more. 

I don’t know what the right line is. I hunt with a vertical bow, so no skin off my back.  But I also feel for guys who can’t and understand why they want to stay in the game. That makes my odds worse, for sure, but I at least understand it. Seems like you could just eliminate sitting water and take away a lot of the advantage right there while also keeping the efficacy down. 🤷‍♂️ 

[trphyhntr]

8 minutes ago, Flatlander said:

Maybe just check one out before you start throwing stuff out there. We have an R10X and my kid who isn’t an expert but also isn’t “beer bellied” couldn’t shoot those kinds of groups practicing for 30 min 3-5x per week.

No idea on airbows. I know people hate them but I haven’t ever seen one in the field. Seems like having to carry compressed air around would be a major limitation. Are these things really having a negative impact on the industry?

Aren’t the trad bow guys making the same claim about compounds? It’s the same concept, just a different measure on the spectrum. Everyone wants their own methods included and nothing more. 

I don’t know what the right line is. I hunt with a vertical bow, so no skin off my back.  But I also feel for guys who can’t and understand why they want to stay in the game. That makes my odds worse, for sure, but I at least understand it. Seems like you could just eliminate sitting water and take away a lot of the advantage right there while also keeping the efficacy down. 🤷‍♂️ 

Not reading that wall of cope. Didn’t throw anything out there except documented evidence. 

[bwana]

Mechanically held string and fired with a trigger using a rifle scope!  It is a GUN! Crossgun not a bow!

[Flatlander]

9 hours ago, trphyhntr said:

Not reading that wall of cope. Didn’t throw anything out there except documented evidence. 

So you read it or you didn’t?

[CatfishKev]

Does the draw lock on a vertical bow make it a crossbow?

[654321]

15 hours ago, trphyhntr said:

Always thought champ hunts were for parapalegics and what not. But I guess that’s all been perverted as well 

“Severe permanent disability” means one or more permanent physical or mental disabilities resulting from amputation, arthritis, autism, blindness, burn injury, cancer, cerebral palsy, cystic fibrosis, intellectual disability, muscular dystrophy, musculoskeletal disorders, neurological disorders, paraplegia, pulmonary disorders, quadriplegia and other spinal cord conditions, sickle cell anemia, and end stage renal disease or a combination of permanent disabilities resulting in comparable substantial functional limitations.

[trphyhntr]

34 minutes ago, CatfishKev said:

Does the draw lock on a vertical bow make it a crossbow?

Last I checked those weren’t legal in Az for archery hunts 

[NOTAGS]

30 minutes ago, 654321 said:

“Severe permanent disability” means one or more permanent physical or mental disabilities resulting from amputation, arthritis, autism, blindness, burn injury, cancer, cerebral palsy, cystic fibrosis, intellectual disability, muscular dystrophy, musculoskeletal disorders, neurological disorders, paraplegia, pulmonary disorders, quadriplegia and other spinal cord conditions, sickle cell anemia, and end stage renal disease or a combination of permanent disabilities resulting in comparable substantial functional limitations.

“Intellectual disability”

 

I think there’s a couple people on this site that can qualify for a Champ permit…..lol