Officials euthanize AZ jaguar

[Guest 300ultramag.]

NRS RULES!!!

 

The only mistake Game & Fish officers made is going into a field where nobody appreciates them no matter what they do.

 

From all I've read so far, they did everything right. A 15-16 year old jaguar weighing only 118 lbs. at the time of capture is already on his way out. The vet who examined him said his ailment doesn't happen overnight. It's a long time in the making.

 

Had the jaguar survived a couple more years, the tracking information might have proved valuable for learning about its habits and needs in this environment. Looks to me like they did the right thing and did it as well as it could have been done. They just weren't lucky, and now they're red meat for the howling ignorant mob.

 

Some of you guys are thinking like animal rights people One individual animal isn't what we should be concerned about. We should be concerned about what one animal might tell us about how to better manage for an entire species.

 

If southern Arizona is truly suitable jaguar habitat, more should show up some day. If that happens, I hope our wildlife professionals will still be willing to do the right thing and put collars on them.

 

The veterinarian from the Phoenix zoo said it pretty well in today's Az Daily Star: "I'm glad they collared him. Otherwise he'd have just gone off and died somewhere on his own." Center for Biological Diversity forgot to quote that part.

 

I dont think the G&F are bad in any way shape or form. My major concern is what criteria/guidelines were met that made the cat a candidate to be collared. To collar him for the simple fact that he was a Jaguar seems careless. I know in the medical field some procedures or interventions can be detrimental to patients due to age, health etc. and a VERY specific guideline needs to be met before interventions can be performed..... I think this cat was an old dude and had issues with his health and somebody got over excited and didnt stop to think what happens if this goes down the drain.... I think the G&F were presented with an opportunity that they felt they couldnt pass up, but in reality their procedures inflicted more stress to the old cat and it goes downhill from there...

 

BTW if a trapper finds a Lion in a trap, arent they required by law to release it? and if so how do trappers release a lion with out sedation.

[Simple Hunter]

arizona game and fish made a monumental mistake by sedating and subsequently killing macho b and raping us of one of the most beautiful animals in the world and i hope to heck that some of the liberal organizations hold them accountable for their actions of practicing what i like to refer to as “cowboy management” and in this case “cowboy medicine”. i’m very anxious to hear if any personnel accept personal accountability for their lack of knowledge and lack of training in the administration of the sedatives given to macho b. as with any medication, particularly those of which are dose dependant, over-dosing an animal can lead to acute renal failure which is what macho b was suffering from prior to being euthanized. couple that with macho b not being given a reversal medication, which is dang near a must, along with the horrible affects of capture myopathy. i feel for the individual that actually administered the drug (as he is ultimately responsible for the death) as the poor excuse for a wildlife agency more than likely didn’t provide them with adequate training or continuing education on such a powerful medication, including side-effects, contra-indications, onset, duration, pharmacokinetics, pharmakodynamics, accurate weight estimation and on and on. i’m also curious to hear what data our lack-of-science game department used when it determined that the medication was in fact safe for use on jaguars, because I’d bet my truck that the data simply doesn’t exist and if it did the sample size is too small to utilize. it’s time something is done to the joke arizona game fish for their overall lack of science in 99 percent of what they do to manage our wildlife and to force a change in their antiquated management practices for the 1 percent where they actually do use science. as a consumptive user and a conservative, i’d fully support the legislature suspending all state wildlife management operations of every type until the idiots thoroughly explain the science behind their management and thus modify the manner in which our wildlife is managed. i can only hope media outlets and liberal law firms investigate this and take this case long and far to show how backwards game and fish is in their actions.

 

Brother, you are in the wrong place. "Suspending all state wildlife management operations." Are you kidding me? You don't get it do you? The "Environmental" Branch (arm) of the G&F is the one who is responsible for this. These guys have nothing to do with game management. They weren't snaring bears and lions for population counts, they were snaring them to track them to see how horrible us humans and our "carbon emitting" lifestyles affect them. The results of this study would be used to halt the Fence Project and all Development in Southern Arizona by establishing open space corridors! The average yahoo environmentalist wacko has no idea how they even have a job - they have no idea that the reason they have a job, is because of Capitalism. Idiots.

 

Give me a chance to tell you how I really feel about the anti-capitalist environmentalist socialist human-apologist wackos!

[Simple Hunter]

...What I didn't mention is the Game Managment Branch is exceptional. They are outstanding and do a great job for our game and predator management. We just need to axe the "Bugs and Bunny" Branch.

[IHunt2live]

...What I didn't mention is the Game Managment Branch is exceptional. They are outstanding and do a great job for our game and predator management. We just need to axe the "Bugs and Bunny" Branch.

 

No such thing as the "Enviromental" branch. It is the "research" branch. I know the biologist who is running the bear and lion study, who did not even want to deal with the jaguar and wasn't involved with it his people did it with promition from other G&F people, and that biologist is a BIG time hunter.

To think about axeing the research branch because it has nothing to do with the management doesn't make much sence to me. The bear and lion project first started to understand large carnivor movements between sky islands and the Wildlife Conservation Society got involved and it in turn got the boarder issue involved. We are lucky to have the research branch, most states will contract out that work to private companies.

 

[Simple Hunter]

...What I didn't mention is the Game Managment Branch is exceptional. They are outstanding and do a great job for our game and predator management. We just need to axe the "Bugs and Bunny" Branch.

 

No such thing as the "Enviromental" branch. It is the "research" branch. I know the biologist who is running the bear and lion study, who did not even want to deal with the jaguar and wasn't involved with it his people did it with promition from other G&F people, and that biologist is a BIG time hunter.

To think about axeing the research branch because it has nothing to do with the management doesn't make much sence to me. The bear and lion project first started to understand large carnivor movements between sky islands and the Wildlife Conservation Society got involved and it in turn got the boarder issue involved. We are lucky to have the research branch, most states will contract out that work to private companies.

 

Call it what you will. I don't think we will agree on this one. The day the research branch makes our hunting opportunities bettter is the day that I will support them. The reality is that research is generally geared toward making a notable find and the popular culture is to find that humans are bad. Axe 'em.

[IHunt2live]

...What I didn't mention is the Game Managment Branch is exceptional. They are outstanding and do a great job for our game and predator management. We just need to axe the "Bugs and Bunny" Branch.

 

No such thing as the "Enviromental" branch. It is the "research" branch. I know the biologist who is running the bear and lion study, who did not even want to deal with the jaguar and wasn't involved with it his people did it with promition from other G&F people, and that biologist is a BIG time hunter.

To think about axeing the research branch because it has nothing to do with the management doesn't make much sence to me. The bear and lion project first started to understand large carnivor movements between sky islands and the Wildlife Conservation Society got involved and it in turn got the boarder issue involved. We are lucky to have the research branch, most states will contract out that work to private companies.

 

Call it what you will. I don't think we will agree on this one. The day the research branch makes our hunting opportunities bettter is the day that I will support them. The reality is that research is generally geared toward making a notable find and the popular culture is to find that humans are bad. Axe 'em.

 

 

The "game management branch" makes desisions based on what the research branch finds. Yes there is not much research being done on our fav. game animals, but there is some, thats mostly becouse they have been "research out" and we have a good idea what goes on with them. Another reason they don't do more research is becouse of money, its sad I will agree, but theres not a lot of money in that area.

We must remember that the game and fish is not a hunting agency but a wildlife agency that has responsibility for ALL wildlife and becouse its a state agency they have to try to make everyone happy.

[youngbuck]

The press conference is on azgfd for the macho b deal

 

http://www.azgfd.gov/video/ArizonaJaguarPr...onference.shtml

[wetmule]

Anybody watch the other two video clips? The memorial tribute by Judy and the Protestor clip. They both attribute the death to G&F

[Guest 300ultramag.]

The press conference is on azgfd for the macho b deal

 

http://www.azgfd.gov/video/ArizonaJaguarPr...onference.shtml

 

 

 

[cmc]

The day the research branch makes our hunting opportunities bettter is the day that I will support them.

 

Interesting....

[CouesWhitetail]

Call it what you will. I don't think we will agree on this one. The day the research branch makes our hunting opportunities bettter is the day that I will support them. The reality is that research is generally geared toward making a notable find and the popular culture is to find that humans are bad. Axe 'em.

 

 

The Research Branch is making your hunting opportunities better. The Arizona Deer Association and the AGFD research branch have been involved for the last three years doing research on the Kaibab. This research project is just finishing up, but you may recall AGFD just issued a press release suggesting that the cliffrose monitoring they were using as part of the decision making process regarding tag numbers was not reliable. Therefore, they are recommending to the commission to not use that data during this year's hunt recommendations when they set hunting permits for the Kaibab. This is research providing guidance to the game branch and the deer herd benefitting from it. There is much more research being done up there that will allow us to know more about the current state of the herd in relation to the winter range. This is all data that will allow for better management of the herd there.

 

There are also other research projects such as the one in the three-bar wildlife area that focused on causes of fawn mortality and then there is the one that has been mentioned here studying lion and bear movements in the sky islands. All of these projects provide information so that game managers can make better informed decisions.

 

 

Amanda

[IHunt2live]

Thanks for that link youngbuck very informative!!!

[audsley]

Thanks, Youngbuck. That was most interesting. I particularly liked the fact that Commissioner Hernbrode told the critics in no uncertain terms that they were wrong in saying there should be no capturing and collar if large animals for research purposes.

[NRS]

Call it what you will. I don't think we will agree on this one. The day the research branch makes our hunting opportunities bettter is the day that I will support them. The reality is that research is generally geared toward making a notable find and the popular culture is to find that humans are bad. Axe 'em.

 

 

The Research Branch is making your hunting opportunities better. The Arizona Deer Association and the AGFD research branch have been involved for the last three years doing research on the Kaibab. This research project is just finishing up, but you may recall AGFD just issued a press release suggesting that the cliffrose monitoring they were using as part of the decision making process regarding tag numbers was not reliable. Therefore, they are recommending to the commission to not use that data during this year's hunt recommendations when they set hunting permits for the Kaibab. This is research providing guidance to the game branch and the deer herd benefitting from it. There is much more research being done up there that will allow us to know more about the current state of the herd in relation to the winter range. This is all data that will allow for better management of the herd there.

 

There are also other research projects such as the one in the three-bar wildlife area that focused on causes of fawn mortality and then there is the one that has been mentioned here studying lion and bear movements in the sky islands. All of these projects provide information so that game managers can make better informed decisions.

 

 

Amanda

 

A good example of making your hunting better is the research done by G&F on coues deer in the sonoita area, and the Mearns and scaled quail studies in the same area. They have also done some ground breaking research on the value of water to wildlife in the desert that proved wrong many of the myths that the anti hunters have been pushing on how they increase predation and poison wildlife.

[KGAINES]

The AZGFD works with all the conservation groups and they all have say in what projects are done with the special tag funds, they also have habitat projects all over the state that benefit all wildlife in those areas. The research on the Kaibab has been ongoing for years and the AZGFD stood by the results so far negating the cliffrose surveys that they have relied on for years. It goes for the lakes and rivers with fishing as well, they manage that too, and the research in our state in one way or another benefits us all.