Jaguar Collared in SO AZ

[Hunterjohnny]

What beutiful animals!

[NRS]

The picture looks like that may be the one they call Macho B, who they have photographed off and on in the units 36a,b,and c for the last 13 years, so many of us have had lots of opportunity to see him. He has also not appeared to have affected antler size in those units. Since he and others have been roaming the area for the last 15 years, the Fish and Wildlife Service have pretty well worked out all of the conservation measures for the jaguars already and there probably will not be any changes to management of the areas where they roam.

[Simple Hunter]

The picture looks like that may be the one they call Macho B, who they have photographed off and on in the units 36a,b,and c for the last 13 years, so many of us have had lots of opportunity to see him. He has also not appeared to have affected antler size in those units. Since he and others have been roaming the area for the last 15 years, the Fish and Wildlife Service have pretty well worked out all of the conservation measures for the jaguars already and there probably will not be any changes to management of the areas where they roam.

 

I hope you are right - however, did you see what the opposition is saying?

 

AZ Daily Star

February 2009

TONY DAVIS

 

"Environmentalists from the Center for Biological Diversity said Friday that they're not upset at the capture, but they said it will do little good if the federal government doesn't reverse course and agree to do a recovery plan and designate critical habitat for the jaguar, which is listed as endangered. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service's refusal to do either has prompted a center lawsuit that has a U.S. District Court hearing in Tucson scheduled for March 23."

 

 

New York Times,

October 2006

SANDRA BLAKESLEE

 

"But the jaguars in northern Mexico are at the utmost edge of the animal's natural range, Dr. Rabinowitz said. The ones coming into the United States look like transients, which means it would be "foolish" to call them a resident population, he said."

 

Dr. Rabinowitz is a leading jaguar expert at the Wildlife Conservation Society in New York City

 

 

I wouldn't doubt the SW Center for Biological Diversity filing suit against the FWS to designate critical habitat including, creating a new wilderness area in the Tumacacoris and Atascosas. They will first seek a ban on all motorized travel. Then they will seek to create a monument or park closed to hunting. Rep. Raul Grijalva (D) has already been trying to close that area for years.

 

I fear we will say goodbye to 36B - even after Macho B dies, they will then have precedent to re-introduce new jaguars into that area.

 

 

 

 

[billrquimby]

Although never abundant, jaguars have been recorded in Arizona as long as people have been interested in wildlife, which is forever.

 

They have been trapped as far north as Grand Canyon and the Navajo Reservation by government trappers. Several were killed on the White Mountain Apache Reservation by sport hunters, and at least one was taken near Big Lake.

 

A distant relative of my wife shot the last jaguar taken legally in Arizona. He was hunting near Patagonia in about 1969 and shot it as it was stalking a herd of javelinas. I photographed him with it, but have since lost the photo. He donated the skull and skin to the UA's wildlife collection. The university still had the skull as recently as about 1995, when I saw it there.

 

At least two more jaguars were killed in southern Arizona after legal hunting ended -- one near Nogales, the other in the Dos Cabezas. Although both were killed illegally, in both instances the charges against the young men who shot them were dismissed by judges. It's doubtful the public would allow that to happen today.

 

Sometime in the late 1950s, early 1960s, an outlaw houndsman was convicted of conducting canned hunts with bears, and mountain lions. Two of his clients had shot jaguars near Pena Blanca Lake, but it was never proved that he had released them.

 

The AZGFD wildlife manager who got the goods on the houndsman was Bob Hernbrode Sr., father of game commissioner Bob Hernbrode Jr.

 

Bill Quimby

[nastynate]

+ 1 With Mr. Quimby - your wealth of knowledge about wildlife and hunting in Arizona is always a pleasure to read. Jaguars native range once reached as far north as the Grand Canyon. I think they are amazing animals and would consider it an incredible experience to see one in the wild. It is unlikely that the Jaguar that has been collared is in any way "errant." Researchers have been studying Jaguars in SoAz since 96, many of them the same animals over the years. Last time I was in Ruby, I spoke with the caretaker, Sundog, who informed me that one particular cat that was being studied in the area ranged from the Atascosas to the Boboquivaris and into Mexico. I inquired as to his source of information, and discovered that the Jag researchers actually stay in Ruby, so I assume his info was pretty good. If anyone wants to find out some good first hand info about Jaguars, Ruby might be a good place to start. For many reasons I doubt a border fence will ever go up, I certainly don't think it will be because of Jags. As someone mentioned earlier, the deer don't seem to be having too much of a problem with Jags in the 36's. With all that said, I would still hate to see some know it all, leftist-liberal-dirt worshiping, hippie-muffin group coming in and causing problems for hunters in the 36's or anywhere in SoAz for that matter.

 

Nate

[azpackhorse]

 

I am friends with the guy who shot the one in Nogales area when he was a kid, very interesting story. He has the hide on his wall.

 

[billrquimby]

I am friends with the guy who shot the one in Nogales area when he was a kid, very interesting story. He has the hide on his wall.

 

Is he the son of the judge who heard the case and dismissed it instead of recusing himself? The jaguar was shot at a pond very near some land I own in Yerba Buena Canyon down there.

 

Bill Quimby

[azpackhorse]

Mr. Quimby,

 

yes, that is him

[Simple Hunter]

+ 1 With Mr. Quimby - your wealth of knowledge about wildlife and hunting in Arizona is always a pleasure to read. Jaguars native range once reached as far north as the Grand Canyon. I think they are amazing animals and would consider it an incredible experience to see one in the wild. It is unlikely that the Jaguar that has been collared is in any way "errant." Researchers have been studying Jaguars in SoAz since 96, many of them the same animals over the years. Last time I was in Ruby, I spoke with the caretaker, Sundog, who informed me that one particular cat that was being studied in the area ranged from the Atascosas to the Boboquivaris and into Mexico. I inquired as to his source of information, and discovered that the Jag researchers actually stay in Ruby, so I assume his info was pretty good. If anyone wants to find out some good first hand info about Jaguars, Ruby might be a good place to start. For many reasons I doubt a border fence will ever go up, I certainly don't think it will be because of Jags. As someone mentioned earlier, the deer don't seem to be having too much of a problem with Jags in the 36's. With all that said, I would still hate to see some know it all, leftist-liberal-dirt worshiping, hippie-muffin group coming in and causing problems for hunters in the 36's or anywhere in SoAz for that matter.

 

Nate

 

There has only been one (1) jaguar documented over and over again since 96 and that is Macho B. The jaguar that Warner Glenn caught on camera in the Peloncillos has not been seen repeatedly. Macho B is purportedly in the Atascosas. I have no doubt that Mr. Macho B is all by himself and may be the last jaguar to roam Southern Arizona. What Mr. Quimby says is historically accurate regarding jaguars, but Mexican grey wolves also roamed all of Arizona also. Look at the disaster of bringing them back and introducing them.

 

Just so you know, I am not anti-jaguar, I love to see them at the zoo in Tucson, but if you haven't lived here long enough to know that environmentalists will use them as a catalyst to further their purposes, which is to remove humans from public land.

 

 

[billrquimby]

<<<<<<<<< .... environmentalists will use them as a catalyst to further their purposes, which is to remove humans from public land.>>>>>>

 

You done broke da code.

 

Bill Quimby

[Red Rabbit]

Evidently, the cat suffered kidney failure and had to be euthanized.

http://www.azgfd.gov/artman/publish/article_1118.shtml

 

[CouesWhitetail]

Wow, that's terrible news about the jaguar. Isn't that what many environmentalist feared would happen if a jaguar was captured and collared? Seems unlinkely that it's death wasn't related to the stress and drugs used during it's capture and handling. I sure hope it wasn't though.

 

Amanda

 

[KGAINES]

This seems sort of strange to me, they collar the cat to monitor it, I wonder if they drew blood and other samples at that time, and then they have to recapture to euthanize. It might be normal, but you wonder why they didn't allow the animal to die and then recover the remains, maybe they were afraid that it would go south prior to its death and they would lose the animal for the autopsy, or someone other than them would find it and create even more problems, just weird.

I seen one a few years ago in 35A and would rather see a Jaguar in the wild that was here naturally, than a bunch of inbred wolf hybrids that are forced down our throats. I hope they find some useful data with the remains, but with the groups that are involved with the jags it will somehow be construed that hunters, vehicles, and ranching are to blame for the cats problems, and not eating illegals garbage or just natural deterioration of its health that caused its death.

[SilentButDeadly]

If the cat was as old as they said it was, than its condition had to be exacerbated by capture (they tree'd it with dogs to get it in the first place right? that had to have exhausted the old guy). Additionally, I wonder if the reason it came to AZ in the first place was to die? It probably wanted some good hunting grounds where it knew it wouldn't be pressured.

 

Better hope the Anti's don't use this as an excuse to push legislation against houndsmen from going after old lions!

[krp]

They actually snared it. I would guess either it was already sick and that's why it came in to a bait pile or the drugs affected it's kidneys. I also would like to know what the original blood samples show. I was interested in what info they could get and if they could link him to other unknown cats in the area.

 

Kent