Is Shane Koury the next guide to lose license?

[trphyhntr]

Wonder if it will fall under the new law where a guide who loses his license for 5 years isn’t allowed to help on hunts 

[JSR]

They say they want all of the elk off The Strip and Kaibab and will sell you a tag, knowing that your chance of actually seeing one up there is close to zero.

If they really want them gone they should not require a tag or have a season.

 

[trphyhntr]

38 minutes ago, JSR said:

They say they want all of the elk off The Strip and Kaibab and will sell you a tag, knowing that your chance of actually seeing one up there is close to zero.

If they really want them gone they should not require a tag or have a season.

 

Start a new thread 

[dsotm]

2 hours ago, trphyhntr said:

Wonder if it will fall under the new law where a guide who loses his license for 5 years isn’t allowed to help on hunts 

They already don’t follow the laws, how is a new law going to help?

[trphyhntr]

23 minutes ago, dsotm said:

They already don’t follow the laws, how is a new law going to help?

Where did I say new laws will help? I’ll wait 

 

 

[trphyhntr]

Where’s rossislider to defend his butt buddy 

[oz31p]

3 hours ago, trphyhntr said:

Wonder if it will fall under the new law where a guide who loses his license for 5 years isn’t allowed to help on hunts 

That’s not till the 5th or 6th offense 

[trphyhntr]

3 minutes ago, oz31p said:

That’s not till the 5th or 6th offense 

I thought it said when a guide gets his license suspended for 5 years or more. Or are you saying they don’t get them taken away for 5 years till the 5th or 6th offense?

[oz31p]

1 minute ago, trphyhntr said:

I thought it said a crime where you get your guides license suspended for 5 years or more. Or are you saying they don’t get them taken away for 5 years till the 5th or 6th offense?

Seems like they don’t have any teeth till they’ve been busted a few time s

[trphyhntr]

5 minutes ago, oz31p said:

Seems like they don’t have any teeth till they’ve been busted a few time s

Maybe if they didn’t find them guilty the first times. 

[trphyhntr]

If you read the dude who thinks he’s gods gift to hunting on Arizona hunting FB group, he would have you believe that you can get your guides license revoked for 5 years for minor paper work issues. 

[25-06]

1 hour ago, trphyhntr said:

If you read the dude who thinks he’s gods gift to hunting on Arizona hunting FB group, he would have you believe that you can get your guides license revoked for 5 years for minor paper work issues. 

No thanks, sounds like way too much drama for me. 

[MogollonMan]

I came upon this topic and was intrigued by some of the comments. I believe AZGFD has a long history of overstep and abuse of authority. For example when they passed unconstitutional rules prohibiting hunters from carrying a firearm while archery hunting. This AZGFD rule was overturned because AZGFD has no authority to pass laws/rules beyond the scope of taking game. As long as the archery hunter doesn’t use his firearm in the process of taking the game, AZGFD should and has to mind their own business and not infringe on second amendment rights.

Based on this limited information, it seems Mr. Koury is a victim of another AZGFD overreach. As long as an individual isn’t fly to aid in taking big game, AZGFD has no jurisdiction to tell anyone when or where they can fly, even during an open hunt. So unless AZGFD can prove Mr. Koury had a tag for the OTC elk hunt, or was helping someone for that hunt, they have no case. Mr. Koury was within his legal rights to fly anywhere he wanted in the area up until the 48 hour period before his hunt. It sounds like this incident occurred a week or two before hunt? 
So if all of this is accurate, Mr. Koury should absolutely win his appeal, the warden should be reprimanded, and AZGFD needs to apologize for their abuse of authority AGAIN.

[Couzer]

16 minutes ago, MogollonMan said:

I came upon this topic and was intrigued by some of the comments. I believe AZGFD has a long history of overstep and abuse of authority. For example when they passed unconstitutional rules prohibiting hunters from carrying a firearm while archery hunting. This AZGFD rule was overturned because AZGFD has no authority to pass laws/rules beyond the scope of taking game. As long as the archery hunter doesn’t use his firearm in the process of taking the game, AZGFD should and has to mind their own business and not infringe on second amendment rights.

Based on this limited information, it seems Mr. Koury is a victim of another AZGFD overreach. As long as an individual isn’t fly to aid in taking big game, AZGFD has no jurisdiction to tell anyone when or where they can fly, even during an open hunt. So unless AZGFD can prove Mr. Koury had a tag for the OTC elk hunt or was helping someone for that hunt, they have no case. Mr. Koury was within his legal rights to fly anywhere he wanted in the area up until the 48 hour period before his hunt. It sounds like this occurred a week or two before hand? 
So if all of this is accurate, Mr. Koury should absolutely win his appeal, the warden should be reprimanded, and AZGFD needs to apologize for their abuse of authority AGAIN.

Well said! 

[WhtMtnHunter]

2 hours ago, MogollonMan said:

I came upon this topic and was intrigued by some of the comments. I believe AZGFD has a long history of overstep and abuse of authority. For example when they passed unconstitutional rules prohibiting hunters from carrying a firearm while archery hunting. This AZGFD rule was overturned because AZGFD has no authority to pass laws/rules beyond the scope of taking game. As long as the archery hunter doesn’t use his firearm in the process of taking the game, AZGFD should and has to mind their own business and not infringe on second amendment rights.

Based on this limited information, it seems Mr. Koury is a victim of another AZGFD overreach. As long as an individual isn’t fly to aid in taking big game, AZGFD has no jurisdiction to tell anyone when or where they can fly, even during an open hunt. So unless AZGFD can prove Mr. Koury had a tag for the OTC elk hunt or was helping someone for that hunt, they have no case. Mr. Koury was within his legal rights to fly anywhere he wanted in the area up until the 48 hour period before his hunt. It sounds like this occurred a week or two before hand? 
So if all of this is accurate, Mr. Koury should absolutely win his appeal, the warden should be reprimanded, and AZGFD needs to apologize for their abuse of authority AGAIN.

AZGFD definitely needs to adopt some ethics rules for its employees.  How about wardens are not allowed to apply/hunt for game in the unit they patrol.  I can think of two instances where this would alleviate some conflict of interest.  Unit 27 warden with an archery bull tag in his pocket doing aerial surveys 1-2 days before season opens, then shooting a 400+ bull he saw from the helicopter(otherwise never would have known about).  Unit 3B warden giving his tag to a friend to tag a bull he wounded and didn't recover on last day of the season(then gets 100k for being unreasonably reprimanded).  I'm sure there's many, many more cases I'm unaware of. 

Not defending the guide, personally don't like guides, but rules need to go both ways.