cmc Report post Posted February 18, 2009 Folks we need some help on this one as our very own Grijalva along with Representative Rayhall are working at changing the text of the current act that would have adverse affect on wildlife and wildlife habitat!!!! Quote: This bill (see attached) completely changes the Wild Horse and Burro Act. Some highlights of this bill include: Removing the restriction on wild horses limited to areas where they were found in 1971, takes away our ability us use helicopter to round them up. Limits us to remove only those that we can adopt and only after we have exhausted all options to place them on public lands. Provides that they will keep their status as wild horses even after title which means we will still be responible for them. Among other things. Bottom line it provides for expansion of wild horse heards all over the public lands with very limited ability to controll them. Here is the link to the proposed changes to the Wild Horse And Burro Act... http://www.cmccotter.org/azuho/wild_burro.pdf cmc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Rabbit Report post Posted February 18, 2009 http://resourcescommittee.house.gov/index....4&Itemid=27 America’s Wild Horses Will Roam Free, Under New Legislation | Print | February 12, 2009 CONTACT: Allyson Groff or Blake Androff, 202-226-9019 (Natural Resources) Natalie Luna, 520-622-6788 or cell 520-904-0375 (Grijalva) Washington, D.C. - House Natural Resources Committee Chairman Nick J. Rahall (D-WV) and Subcommittee on National Parks, Forests and Public Lands Chairman Raúl M. Grijalva (D-AZ) today introduced legislation to ensure the continued protection of the thousands of wild horses and burros that roam the Nation's public lands, which have recently become endangered by Bureau of Land Management (BLM) plans to slaughter otherwise healthy animals. "It is unacceptable for wild horses to be slaughtered without any regard for the general health, well-being, and conservation of these iconic animals that embody the spirit of our American West," Rahall said. "Introduction of this legislation will ensure the continued presence of those wild horses that make their homes on public lands." "Our wild horses are being harmed by antiquated policies," said Grijalva. "These policies must be updated to reflect Americans' desire to see these horses protected. We must not lose these majestic icons of the West. " In 1971, the Congress adopted the Wild Free-Roaming Horse and Burro Act - which stated that wild horses are "an integral part of the natural system of the public lands" - to protect wild horses from "capture, branding, harassment, or death." Since then, the BLM, charged with management of the animals on public lands, has allowed for the general public to adopt wild horses that have been captured when their population becomes excessive. Last summer, the BLM announced that the combined lack of funding, facilities, and future options may require the killing of as many as 30,000 healthy wild horses and burros. Shortly after, the Government Accountability Office (GAO) released the findings of its investigation, which revealed a host of troubling problems plaguing the BLM's wild horse and burro program. The Restoring Our American Mustangs (ROAM) Act (H.R. 1018) would amend the landmark 1971 Act to implement changes suggested by GAO. The bill would: • Remove outdated limits on the areas where horses can roam freely, allowing the BLM to find additional, suitable acreage. • Strengthen the BLM's wild horse and burro adoption program. • Require consistency and accuracy in the management of wild horse and burro herds, and allow more public involvement in management decisions. • Facilitate the creation of sanctuaries for wild horse and burro populations on public lands. • Prohibit the killing of healthy wild horses and burros. "These critical, commonsense changes to the original Wild Free-Roaming Horse and Burro Act will help to sustain the current population of wild horses and burros, without having to resort to slaughter as a solution for management. I am committed to working with my colleagues in the Congress and other stakeholders to correct course and present BLM with a viable management alternative," Rahall said. A google search found these, among others. Comments on horse board: http://boards.msn.com/MSNBCboards/thread.a...stID%3D26849077 from HSUS (ugh): http://www.hsus.org/press_and_publications...ced_021209.html burro preservationists: http://americanherds.blogspot.com/2008/07/today.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TAM Report post Posted February 18, 2009 These animals are not indigenous species of North America. They are raping our land or our natural resources and making it more difficult for the true indigenous species to thrive. I say the Gov't should let us kill them all and get rid of this expensive problem. But no we have a couple tree huggers that want the Government to spend millions so we can protect them and expand there territorys and create even more expensive problems to deal with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4Falls Report post Posted February 18, 2009 shoot, shovel and shut-up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
couesdiehard Report post Posted February 18, 2009 and you don't have to wait 15 years to be drawn! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rembrant Report post Posted February 18, 2009 Shoot shovel and shut-up ain't good enough. I want to be able to take a burro hide to Clay and get it tanned. Just think of the econimical stimulation generated by open season on horses and burros! Just another example of liberal thinking at its best. Save the exotic species at the detriment to the native species and habitat. Utter confusion. Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Non-Typical Solutions Report post Posted February 18, 2009 Seems like Grivalja always has his foot on the wrong side of the fence......how did he get elected to represent AZ???? While we have people losing jobs left and right we are worried about a bunch of misplaced jackasses. Get somebody out there to start butchering those critters, make horse stew out of them. Feed the hungry and create jobs.....wow...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billrquimby Report post Posted February 19, 2009 Seems like Grivalja always has his foot on the wrong side of the fence......how did he get elected to represent AZ???? To answer that question you need to look at where he gets his campaign funds. The real question is why do the people in his district keep re-electing him? Bill Quimby Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackshoe Report post Posted February 21, 2009 Game and Fish should sell tags-get drawn and kill a trophy jackass-have the ears mounted. not a bad idea. Ted B. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4Falls Report post Posted February 21, 2009 I love burros. Especially with red chili. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.270 Report post Posted February 24, 2009 actually, scientists say horses and asses originated in south America. started out there, migrated north and into europe and asia where they proliferated and were domesticated and then died out here. probly global warming or some deal. then the spaniards brung em back over here to rape and pillage the land and it's indigenous people easier and the rest is history. now we have wild horses and asses here again, just like they used to be. sorta like the mexican wolf is now. really, they did originate here. but i feel they should be removed from the land completely. they are a real hardship in places that really shouldn't be subjected to any more stress than nature does anyway. i'm a big fan o' equines, but not the wild ones in the Americas. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TAM Report post Posted February 25, 2009 All right you guys.............. Which one of you went and hammered 11 of them SOB's last week??? Come on now speak up??? 11 wild burros killed near Lake Pleasant The Associated Press Published: 02.24.2009 PHOENIX - Federal authorities are investigating the discovery of 11 wild burros found shot to death near Lake Pleasant northwest of Phoenix. Bureau of Land Management officials said the carcasses were found over the weekend by off-road vehicle riders. The federal agency said the incident occurred within the last week on public lands where the agency manages a wild burro herd of 280. A $5,000 reward is being offered, and anyone with information is asked to call 800-637-9152. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rembrant Report post Posted February 26, 2009 now we have wild horses and asses here again, just like they used to be. sorta like the mexican wolf is now. really, they did originate here. Lark, The first "Horses" Hyracotherium were 20" inches high at the shoulder, 4 toes on each front foot and 3 on the hind feet, and walked on pads like a dog. Had an arched back, short neck, short snout, short legs, and a long tail. I know!!! "cause I looked it up at "The Talk Origins Archive" - it's on line so it has to be true, right?. Here's a quote: "It browsed on fruit and fairly soft foilage, and probably scampered from thichet to thicket like a modern muntjac deer only stupider, slower, and not as agile." Really? That would be some really fantastic science to know what the animal ate to the specitivity of fruit and fairly soft foilage ( must o been fruit thickets). And to know that it scampered like a modern deer species? - But only different. I read through the whole thing, about how the the "horse evolution" looks more like a bush than a tree, how several of these strange species existed at the same time and there is no aparent direct line to the modern horse. The only thing I missed was where the princess kissed the frog and it turned into a human. I'll have to go back and read it again because I'm sure it's in this fairytale somewhere. There were no horses in the Americas until the old world folks brought them here. Those fossils were of very different animals that didn't turn into anything but dead. Will someone, anyone, but especially evolutionary biologists, please look up the mathematical possibilities of random mutations causing evolutionary changes in living organisms in the eledged time frame of 18 billion years! I know a Phd. evolutionary biologist named Rick Oliver, who lives in Tonto Basin. He quit drinking that sweet flavored, colored water a while back. Very interesting fellow to talk with. He's wondering how (he knows why) Darwinians can omit the math from the equasion. Science is math, right? Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NRS Report post Posted February 26, 2009 "All right you guys.............. Which one of you went and hammered 11 of them SOB's last week??? Come on now speak up???" I think TAM is looking for some money so he can buy some new toys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites