This is insane...

[Coach]

Ok, so lots of us are upset about this. The question now is, what can we do to help? I would be willing to help this rancher out in any way I can including sending emails, orgainzing people, contacting representatives or whatever. Let's get off our collective backsides and speak up. Anybody have a good idea where to start?

[hunterdude]

Can Amanda be the hub and we can all donate some money for the legal fees for this man, or maybe someone that is articulate write a letter to send to our congressmen and then all of us sign it?

[daryl_s]

Hey Diamondback so if I was a S**T Bag and breaking into your truck to steal a gun are you saying that you would not shoot me? I guess that you also believe that we owe everything to the Government and that we should let them control our health care and make us live in a socialist country! If you owned a large farm and grew fruits and vegitable and everyone on this site "just this Site" was to drive across your fields and leave our trash and ruined your crops, you would have no hard feelings or even try to stop us becuase it is not costing you any money or hurting your land for future crop growth. Keep in mind you are the one working this land to help make a living for yourself and your family! If there is nothing wrong with any of this let me know!

 

Okay.....you guys are slamming diamondbackaz big time when all he has tried to imply is be careful with how you go about the situation. Hunterdude......you are putting all kinds of words and scenarios up trying to imply what kind of person he is, do you even know him??? READ what he has written.

 

 

[EagleEye]

I say counter sue for all the time and money he has spent sue the govt for allowing it to happen sue az for the same what frikin joke this is

[TAM]

Hey Diamondback so if I was a S**T Bag and breaking into your truck to steal a gun are you saying that you would not shoot me?

 

In Arizona it is against the law to shoot someone for breaking into my truck to steal a gun. No matter how big of a S**T Bag that person is.

[Kilimanjaro]

Hey Diamondback so if I was a S**T Bag and breaking into your truck to steal a gun are you saying that you would not shoot me?

 

In Arizona it is against the law to shoot someone for breaking into my truck to steal a gun. No matter how big of a S**T Bag that person is.

 

 

If you feel your life is in danger or you are likely to sustain grievious bodily harm, you CAN kill the SOB. BUT you will have to articulate that fact in your court case hearing. This boils back down to the old saying.."Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6"..

[stanley]

Hey Diamondback so if I was a S**T Bag and breaking into your truck to steal a gun are you saying that you would not shoot me?

 

In Arizona it is against the law to shoot someone for breaking into my truck to steal a gun. No matter how big of a S**T Bag that person is.

 

 

If you feel your life is in danger or you are likely to sustain grievious bodily harm, you CAN kill the SOB. BUT you will have to articulate that fact in your court case hearing. This boils back down to the old saying.."Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6"..

 

Not only articulate that fact in court, but also be able to prove it, right? At the end of the day, I think the law as Scotty describes it is pretty clear. You absolutely DO NOT have the right to kill anyone for breaking into your truck and stealing anything. As far as I can tell, only if you're life is in danger can you defend yourself. Bottom line; You can use lethal force to defend yourself, NOT your truck or guns.... according to the letter of the law anyway.

 

I hope I never find myself in that position!

 

S.

 

 

[KGAINES]

Lets just say that whoever was breaking into my vehicle better not get caught, and him getting shot and killed might be his best option. I respect the law, most people do and these freaking criminals no that, they know that if they get caught they can run because there is almost nothing we can do, then they can come back and continue what they were doing or try to get revenge on you or your family because the low life scum that they are don't care. That is why they better hope I don't get a frontal shot, the way I look at it if they are facing me I am being threatened and an injured criminal can come back and haunt you forever, I don't want to go through my life looking over my shoulder so they have to die. There are more laws to protect the criminals then there are to protect the victims, why can't we refuse to be a victim and just be an honest American that wants to defend his or her families and their property. It is a sad day in this country where an honest law abiding CITIZEN that has never been in trouble with the law, can be sent to prison for defending his property against criminals that have been taking advantage of every one. I suppose we can huddle in our houses and yell out the window that if they come in they just might get shot, we can make sure and tell them that they sure are lucky that they are just thieves, or we could defend our property. Our criminal justice system should be three strikes and your an PAY-PER-VIEW DEATH ROW, that would be crime prevention at its best, steal someones stuff and they might shoot you and you die, or get caught three times and you do die. Felons like that almost never if ever change, and the ones that would change would never do it if the laws protected those that it should protect.

I hope that I am never in that situation, I hope no one is, but it happens every day.

I am pretty sure the guy in Texas that killed the two burglers in his neighbors house didn't go to jail, hopefully he didn't get sued too.

God Bless and Take Care

[Diamondbackaz]

Hey Diamondback so if I was a S**T Bag and breaking into your truck to steal a gun are you saying that you would not shoot me? I guess that you also believe that we owe everything to the Government and that we should let them control our health care and make us live in a socialist country! If you owned a large farm and grew fruits and vegitable and everyone on this site "just this Site" was to drive across your fields and leave our trash and ruined your crops, you would have no hard feelings or even try to stop us becuase it is not costing you any money or hurting your land for future crop growth. Keep in mind you are the one working this land to help make a living for yourself and your family! If there is nothing wrong with any of this let me know!

 

Hey Diamondback so if I was a S**T Bag and breaking into your truck to steal a gun are you saying that you would not shoot me? No, I would not shoot you. I have already given you an example of what happens to people who shoot people for breaking into a car. You are a real moron to think that you can shoot someone because "you feel you have the right". You can go ahead and do it if it makes you feel good, but don't whine when you become Bubba's little girl when your in prison

 

I guess that you also believe that we owe everything to the Government and that we should let them control our health care and make us live in a socialist country! Not sure where you are going with that one? We are a country that respects the rule of law which is one thing that separates this country from most others. If you feel that you have the right to take the law in your own hands by shooting someone because they broke into your car, go for it.

 

If you owned a large farm and grew fruits and vegitable and everyone on this site "just this Site" was to drive across your fields and leave our trash and ruined your crops, you would have no hard feelings or even try to stop us becuase it is not costing you any money or hurting your land for future crop growth. Keep in mind you are the one working this land to help make a living for yourself and your family! If there is nothing wrong with any of this let me know! This has got to be the dumbest statement I have ever read on this site. But since you brought it up in reference to the Barnett situation, I will reply. I would not own, or even consider owning, property near the Mexican border. It is his choice to own the property that he does and he can deal with the crap that goes with it. It is true that he shouldn't have to put up with any of that crap as a US citizen. Nothing will change until you have change in Government policy.

[Diamondbackaz]

Hey Diamondback so if I was a S**T Bag and breaking into your truck to steal a gun are you saying that you would not shoot me? I guess that you also believe that we owe everything to the Government and that we should let them control our health care and make us live in a socialist country! If you owned a large farm and grew fruits and vegitable and everyone on this site "just this Site" was to drive across your fields and leave our trash and ruined your crops, you would have no hard feelings or even try to stop us becuase it is not costing you any money or hurting your land for future crop growth. Keep in mind you are the one working this land to help make a living for yourself and your family! If there is nothing wrong with any of this let me know!

 

Okay.....you guys are slamming diamondbackaz big time when all he has tried to imply is be careful with how you go about the situation. Hunterdude......you are putting all kinds of words and scenarios up trying to imply what kind of person he is, do you even know him??? READ what he has written.

 

Thank you Daryl, you got my point across.

[Diamondbackaz]

Lets just say that whoever was breaking into my vehicle better not get caught, and him getting shot and killed might be his best option. I respect the law, most people do and these freaking criminals no that, they know that if they get caught they can run because there is almost nothing we can do, then they can come back and continue what they were doing or try to get revenge on you or your family because the low life scum that they are don't care. That is why they better hope I don't get a frontal shot, the way I look at it if they are facing me I am being threatened and an injured criminal can come back and haunt you forever, I don't want to go through my life looking over my shoulder so they have to die. There are more laws to protect the criminals then there are to protect the victims, why can't we refuse to be a victim and just be an honest American that wants to defend his or her families and their property. It is a sad day in this country where an honest law abiding CITIZEN that has never been in trouble with the law, can be sent to prison for defending his property against criminals that have been taking advantage of every one. I suppose we can huddle in our houses and yell out the window that if they come in they just might get shot, we can make sure and tell them that they sure are lucky that they are just thieves, or we could defend our property. Our criminal justice system should be three strikes and your an PAY-PER-VIEW DEATH ROW, that would be crime prevention at its best, steal someones stuff and they might shoot you and you die, or get caught three times and you do die. Felons like that almost never if ever change, and the ones that would change would never do it if the laws protected those that it should protect.

I hope that I am never in that situation, I hope no one is, but it happens every day.

I am pretty sure the guy in Texas that killed the two burglers in his neighbors house didn't go to jail, hopefully he didn't get sued too.

God Bless and Take Care

 

Defending yourself and family is different from defending things.

 

[hunterdude]

Well diamondback, Did I ever say that I would shoot you for breaking into my truck "NO" I did not ! Once you are in that truck "WHERE THE WEAPON IS" it becomes a different story! You would now have the ability to inflict bodily harm! I NEVER SAID YOU HAVE THE RIGHT! DID I ? So just becuase this man owns property near the border he should except all the trash and other shoot that comes across the border, and also readily accept the distruction of his property. Do you thinkl this man can have the same lively hood as he does now living next to you in your secure unlittered peaceful neighborhood! I doubt it! I did read what he wrote and it seems to all come down to being his own fualt for owning property along the border! He needs to move to Kansas!

[Diamondbackaz]

Well diamondback, Did I ever say that I would shoot you for breaking into my truck "NO" I did not ! Once you are in that truck "WHERE THE WEAPON IS" it becomes a different story! You would now have the ability to inflict bodily harm! I NEVER SAID YOU HAVE THE RIGHT! DID I ? So just becuase this man owns property near the border he should except all the trash and other shoot that comes across the border, and also readily accept the distruction of his property. Do you thinkl this man can have the same lively hood as he does now living next to you in your secure unlittered peaceful neighborhood! I doubt it! I did read what he wrote and it seems to all come down to being his own fualt for owning property along the border! He needs to move to Kansas!

 

Your whole implication of the post implies that you feel it is ok to shoot someone over protecting property. I will use deadly force to stop anyone that is putting my life in imenent danger. But I didn't pick that up in your post since it was not articulated well. Your post seemed to be about using force to protect property.

 

[hunterdude]

You are wrong again ! I never said that ! You implied that ! It is to my understanding that we agree to disagree! So I am going to leave it at that I see no sence in arguing over my thoughts over your thoughts, so lets let someone else put forth their opinion on this! Thx

[Mr. Jonathan]

Wow guys, not really the responses I had hoped for on this post, but perhaps that is to be expected. The issue here (in my mind, at least), is not the immigration, the trash, the drugs, the absurd hypothetical situations proposed, the gentleman's decision to run the ranch a certain way, etc. etc. The issue here is that this lawsuit would be given a second thought by any credible, intelligent, AMERICAN CITIZEN. The rants on this post are downright embarrassing, and I'm sorry for even getting the ball rolling in the inevitably wrong direction. Perhaps it should be nuked... Amanda?

 

If we can't stop to look beyond ourselves and consider the many facets of this and any other situation we find ourselves in life, but instead charge headlong into them with fists up and accusations blaring, we will continue to be known as nothing more than a group of ignorant redneck animal killers (and I'm sure there are some who would love just that. You have your reward).

 

If you can't see the rancher's point of view, you've not considered all that he's had to deal with for a very long time.

 

If you can't see Scottyboy's point of view, you've not thought of what it would be like to go on the patrols that he does.

 

And, forgive me, but if you can't see the immigrants' points of view then you certainly have not thought of what it would be like to grow up in Mexico (obvious exceptions permitted). Honestly, as a 24 year old male with a wife, if providence had seen it fit to place me in their shoes living in a house made of boxes and plywood in Matamoros, and everything I thought I needed existed just on the other side of a river, I'd spend every day I could trying to get across, legal or otherwise.

 

But shooting at someone under the pretense of assumed robbery? How is that even relevant to the topic? That kind of behavior gets lauded in the very country these immigrants are coming from! If you want to behave like that by all means relocate yourself where you can be a Wyatt Earp. There's not a possession I own that I'd kill someone for. I would defend my own life, and I'd die in a heartbeat for those that I love, and I'd kill to protect them. But beyond that?

 

These things are difficult at best, and have several perspectives relative to several different people who look at the same situation through entirely different worldviews. The one perspective I can't grasp is why any American citizen would take the time to try and make a case out of this situation. And that was the perspective I was asking for help on, and hoping, though naive as it may have been, that someone would be able to post an articulate and stately response to it. The bickering is ridiculous and unwarranted. If you want to validate yourself go kill a big coues and brag about how much it scored, because that would at least be appropriate.