Fed up

[rabidApache]

Couldn't take it no more, watch'n Eastern WT hunting.

Anyone else?

[rimhunter]

Im with you anyone can sit at a food plot and shoot a deer at 50 yards .that not hunting

Bruce

[fatfootdoc]

Just to stir you up, How many of you sit over tanks or salt licks that you have set up to attract deer?

I am not defending that way of hunting, but in lots of areas of Texas and etc the only way you can hunt is to set up your nice air conditioned blind with satellite tv and blast em from the windows during commercials. The issue is it is still hunting and they still pay their respective Game and Fish the fees which allow for habitat management and regulation of the deer herds. There really should not be any infighting between hunters when there are already so many organizations out to ban hunting. We all need to stick together regardless of what LEGAL types of hunting we participate in. If you don't like it don't watch it. AG

[wklman]

no, I still do it the old fashioned way.get out of the truck,walk 2 miles, glass for hours,find em and stalk within 200 yds. I'm too impatient to sit on a stand and wait for deer to come to me. Besides its way more fun to find deer on there terms instead of bringing them into mine with artificial attractants or over water.I don't like the idea of using game cameras either.I believe its the lazy mans way of finding a good deer. there's way too much technology getting into hunting. Pretty soon there's gonna be built in range finding scopes so you don't have to get close or stalk up on them.Give me the good ol' days when hunting meant just that hunting.Not putting up salt or mineral licks and setting up a camera on it and waiting to see what came around.sorry guys,I'm an old school hunter that believes the animal deserves a little respect and hunted in a way that doesn't skew the odds in my favor too much.

 

thx Wklman

[rabidApache]

I ain't trying to start up a ruckus between hunters. I'm with you, in that all hunters should stick together against the Anti's.

I was just commenting today on hunting show (didn't catch the title) that aired earlier this week. Corn in corn out!!

After I saw that, I did quit watching......

[fatfootdoc]

rabid,

I would have snapped it off to. AG

[.270]

sitting over a cornflinger in a planted "foodplot" with buckets of other massproduced junk dripping stuff, inside of a high fence, waiting to shoot a pen raised, artificial insemination produced animal, ain't the same as sittin' on a waterhole in the middle o' nowwhere. i know we oughta all stick together, but dang, i don't see how you can call some o' the stuff you see on the tv, huntin'. to me, it just gives anti's ammo to hammer all of us with. i saw one the other day where a little kid, like 5 years old, was gonna shoot a deer from a tree stand. his dad aimed the rifle and pretty much held it in place (the deer couldn't have been 10 yards away) while the kid put his shoulder against the stock and pulled the trigger. he wasn't even lookin' through the scope. it was disgusting. and they're all just a 30 minute commercial. about the only show i like anymore is best of the west. if i am killing a little time watching a huntin' show, if the camera is ever in front of the hunters while they're "play sneakin'" or any other form of blatant

re-enactment takes place, i go do something else. Lark.

[fatfootdoc]

Lark,

I really love it on those shows when they shoot a good buck and then they act like they haven't trailed it or anything but the camera is set up behind the deer so you can see the hunter approach and exclaim" Waaall gosh durn! here he is right here, look at the size of his rack! What they don't tell you is that we probably would never get the opportunity to hunt where they do. It would be nice to be able to hunt private property and film on it and then make TV shows wouldn't it. AG

[.270]

i just think all that crap is bad for hunting. anti's have us all painted as uneducated redneck hicks and then these 'tards just validate what they say. game farms, hi fences, selective breeding, food plots, "senderos" (texan for road you dump the corn in), permanent stands, shooting houses, etc., etc., just really cheap up huntin'. get out on the ground. learn about your quarry and where they live and learn about everything else that lives there with em. it's a lot o' fun. cornflinger boys don't know what they're missin'. except teeth, that is. Lark.

[Redman]

Watching those shows makes me say to myself "this is why people want to ban hunting?.

 

I mean when ?hunters? sit in high blinds with electricity waiting for the automatic feeder to go off at 5:00 p.m. Then out come the animals and they are shot from a gun vise on a table.

 

I have had many conversations with animal lovers at work and they and I agree that type of hunting should not be legal, but true sport hunting is fine (there are always extremes to all sides)

 

Now putting up a treestand in the forest after scouting, that is sport hunting.

 

Putting a treestand over a man made food plot (with heavy equipment) engineered to ?bring the animals? within shooting range is also unethical.

 

 

Redman

[.270]

i ain't gonna get into "ethics". that's a crummy word to me. it's just a fancy word for opinion. to me, if it's legal, it's "ethical". may not be to sporting, may not be my preference, but it's "ethical". when you do things, like have been listed here, you're playing to animals' weaknesses. heck, if you get to use your strongest points against any oppenents weakness, you've got a real advantage. that's why you can't hunt at night, or from aircraft or boats underpower, etc. if you're out on the ground, it's you vs. your quarry. they usually have the advantage in sight, hearing, smell, speed, strength, etc. you have the advantage in your ability to reason and having opposable thumbs so's you can hang onto a rifle or a bow and shoot it. and have the advantage of a lot of technology. it wasn't too many years ago that the only animal you could bait, in any way, in Az., was a bear. from the way the laws were written, even scents like urine, etc. were probably illegal for anything but bear. you could use scent for trapping, but i ain't talkin' traps. now it's just the opposite, you can bait about anything, but bears. you can put out salt or feed or any of the other commercially produced things that are designed to attract game and it's ok. there ain't a lot of it goes on on a big scale, but it's legal. heck, it'd be like tryin' bait in bullwidgeon with barry manilow music. when ya know it's gonna work, it just ain't sportin'. Lark.

[Redman]

.270

 

On the contrary, in some states you can hunt at night (Texas), but I get your point.

 

I will agree with you on the ethics term, its debatable, but come on, hunting above an automatic feeder that goes off at a certain time of day from shack with a gun in a vise? That?s what we are talking about.

 

It?s also legal to raise a deer in a pin, and then shoot it. THIS HAPPENS ALL TOO OFTEN, then the smucks take pictures with these deer like it was a feat or something, but is' legal, is it ok? or is it ethical?

 

Anyhow, being the superior species on this planet allows us to take advantage over animals in one way or another and I forgot we can actually think?....I mean interpret what we feel is ethical or not.

 

I stated my opinion on the subject and I will stick with it. That type of hunting listed in my previous post should be illegal.

 

Redman

[.270]

that's sorta my opinion too, but apparantly it ain't the opinion of the folks that live in the states that allow and foster that kinda stuff. if it's legal there, it's ok with me. but don't expect me to think it's cool. that's why i say ethics is just someone else trying to force their opinion on others. we can't get into legislating ethics. what about anti hunters "ethics"? they think everthing we do is bad. if folks wanna hunt the lazy way, that's ok. it's legal, so it' ok. i don't hafta like it or wanna do it, but it's ok if others want to. but it doesn't do our sport any good and their ain't nothin' like being on the ground matching wits with a buck. don't see how waiting for a hungry one to come to corn is much of a sport. Lark.

[fatfootdoc]

I agree with all of you guys. It may not be the most ethical way to hunt. Unfortunately it is allowed in some states and that is all that some of those hunters know how to do. The Catch 22 is we cant alienate these people and start infighting amongst ourselves. There are several agendas against hunting that would love to have us start picking on one another so that they can start picking off one state at a time. Think about this scenario, an antihunting group lobbyist just happens to check out this or some other website that states how that is not real hunting nor is it ethical. What do you think is going to happen then. Everybody who is on the posting site and is negative gets quoted as saying that "that hunting type is unethical and not fair". So they get the leverage of a group of hunters saying that hunting allowed in that state is unethical and then it is harder for the hunters in that state to keep hunting and how can a group of hunters fight against a group like PETA or the Humane society when they dont have the support of other hunters? It is easy to say yeah, well it is still not ethical, but there are alot of people who don't think any type of hunting is ethical and we already know how we feel about their opinions. Like I said, we fight against ourselves and we lose the fight against the groups who would put an end to hunting in general. AG