AZ Hunt/Fish Fees

[az4life]

Diamondbackaz

 

Some good Points on the higher price for longer hunts. The Benefit of a longer hunt probably should be paid for. I sort of Hate to say it since I love those late season hunts, but you can make a case that it is a "premium" hunt

 

This option would allow more hunters in the field by forcing some into the early shorter hunts and could generate additional revenue for the folks who choose the longer hunts. Hunters who cannot afford a higher priced tag for a longer hunt, probably could not afford the extra costs involved with a longer hunt either. I still would like to se a preference or discount for hunters who su. pport the sport in other ways than buying a lic. and tag.

 

Good Post!

[rimhunter]

Im woundering what some of you are thinking . Im glad some of you are have more money then you know what to do with .But a lot of us dont .

Lets raise the permit prices to give the g&f more money ? I think they have droped the ball deer numbers are down every where except the fenced in area at 3 bar why is this ? And what makes you think some of us cant afford a longer hunt ? stab me in the back some more !!!!!

Ive gone out and repaired gates and fences . picked up trash and built water catches to help all hunters now some of you wont to take it away from me !!!! thanks for all your support .

This goes to show you money will buy you anything you wont !!!

 

 

Bruce

[bcoover]

Why don't you cry about it. Just put aside a little money each week and at the end of the year you will have a enough for a tag. If you WONT to you could use your tax return to purchase your tag each year. It isn't the game and fish's job to make sure you have enough money to purchase a tag. I still don't think it is that much money. People just want everything to be easy. I don't here you complaining about OPEC and how run things. How do you like them apples!

[rimhunter]

Its not a matter of money it a matter of why !!! where is the money going and how is it going to be spent !!! seems the G&F has let the deer herd suffer . then there people like you who think its ok . lets throw away some more money !!!! And yes I do complane about gas prices property tax and everything that keeps going up in price. hunting for me is somthing to do with the family with the price of every thing it not cheep . and your right its not the G&f job to make sure I have enough money there job is to manage our wild life dont think there doing a good job .

Idont need to save money for a tag dont know where you got that impression . I expect to get my moneies worth glad to see you think you are .

the only reason some of you think raising prices is a good idea is you think some wont put in and it will make your odd of getting drown easer .I dont think that real sportsmen like .

Bruce

[az4life]

Speaking of Money... here is another 2 cents worth.

 

Re read the post on the funding figures (up a few posts).

 

The AZGFD does A LOT with the meager budget they have. Our state is not a puny little state like Rhode Island, or Connecticut! We have a huge amount of land, waterways, fish and game to manage.

 

I cannot blame the AZGFD for much wrong except mis-handling the USO (TAULMAN) situation. The fact that the Game Permits are down, fishing has gotten bad in some places is (IMHO) mostly due to the nearly 10 year drought we have had. They cannot make it rain, so yes the game permit #s will be down. Seems to me They have generally acted responsibly by reducing the tags yearly to prevent devastation of wildlife. Sure I hate to see the #s reduce yearly, but maybe it will get better next year with the rain we got this season!

 

What I loathe is the sate funded schools who come to the table asking for more money every year Higher pay, for smaller class sizes, more days off (in service days) and NEVER EVER have they been held accountable for their poor performance with students graduating who cannot read, write or do simple math. Institute a test (AIMS) and keep pushing it back for at least 6 years since they cannot meet their own standards! The system protects these union members and rewards them for continued poor performance. Hundreds of school districts in AZ, (some with 1 school and less than 20 students). Beurocratic Pork at it's worst.

 

AZGFD has been responsible with their funding from what I can see. Until they spend $4,000.00 for campground toilet seats, or portable ashtrays, they it will be hard to find wasted funds or mismangement on a large scale.

[rimhunter]

I agree with you on most of what you said . But the drought is not the number one cause of deer numbers being down . there is a survay on the 3 bar wildlife area dont know where to find it maybe someone here does . the deer in this area are doing very well through the drought why is this ? I dont think the G&F have done enough to address this problem and then to ask for more money

 

Bruce

[fatfootdoc]

bcoover,

last I checked this forum was about hunting not opec. I don't know why you guys can't respect someone elses opinion about anything? I have seen more and more negative and plain MEAN posts. I mean whats the problem? Now that the hunts are through you have to channel your aggression through here? Before you know it this will be as bad as the discussion on CWD. It is simply ridiculous. Have some patience and some humor!!!!!!!!!!! AG

[rimhunter]

here's a link to look athttp://www.hunt4meat.com/HuntingNewsView.php?num=325

[azhuntnut]

Have you guys seen what a G&F officer makes these days, not much. The ones that work up in Flagstaff have a hard time just making it. I hope to see some of this money go towards a pay wage for them. David.

[az4life]

Rimhunter,

Don't take it the wrong way, as I am not trying to argue, but just putting out an opinion.

 

I have read that story previously, and re-read it again today. I think the comparison of drought / predator impact is consideerably Skewed and here is part of the reason why.

 

In any game management plan, depredation through natural (predators) and managed (hunters) are carefully considered and balanced with variable non controlled factors such as weather.

 

My impression is the study in 3bar was to see what impact would be made if one key element was removed from the natural environment. The easiest variable was the predators so they were removed. Sure the survival rate will go up considering a healthy lion can take a deer sized animal every 7-10 days. The weather was the same on either side of the fence so the "inside" group would naturally have a higher survival rate without predators and VERY VERY LIMITED Hunting pressure.

 

Another part of the study then documents the impact on a high density population on vegetation. The best way to achieve the higher density, was to remove the predators and give it some time.

 

Studies are often informative and enlightening, however in such a study as this, one of the the biggest surprises was it took so many years to get to the current density. Maybe the drought slowed it down?

IMHO Nature already has a balanced plan. When we decide to interfere, in the name of progress we create an imbalance. then we try to "study" the problem and fix it.

Another example of the "don't touch it, you'll break it" or "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" rule.

[rimhunter]

az4life

thanks for the post . and i understand we all have our own opinion and I think we are all here for the some reasons .mabe a different avenue to get there and thats what makes things work .

 

Bruce

[Dodger2]

az4life,

 

I cannot disagree with you more about your comment on how public education is funded.

 

Please, be careful about your comments directed towards members of this site that are in that profession.

[coueshunter]

The 3 bar study has all game managers confused. Basically AZGFD needs to step up predator control to increase our deer herds. AZGFD agrees this should happen and many conservation groups like ADA have been saying this for some time. ADA is paying for lion killing up on the strip with Jim Bedlion and it is slowly working. As to the 3Bar study, there is tremendous pressure on AZGFD to start killing tons more predators to mirror what is happening in the deer population in 3-Bar elsewhere in the state. I think alot of us believe our game department knows what it going on when in fact they arent necessarily managing in the best management mode as they could be. Arizona Deer Association just completed a paid for alternative study on the Kaibab. We counted deer numbers, browse cross sections etc.......and determined that the past herd management practices are wrong. The Commissioners challenged ADA to work with AZGFD and we are now completing that process. You all will see new stuff for the Kaibab and eventually other parts of the state. All of the changes are because AZGFD is listening to our group and figuring out more correct ways to manage our wildlife. I think working together will help out all in the years to come.....Allen Taylor......

[az4life]

Allen

Good points, It is sort of like the finger in the dike. No matter which hole you plug there are others you cannot. Until managers have FULL CONTROL (impossible) of all factors, there are always unpredictable variables.

 

 

dodger2

Sorry,

 

The O.T. comments in my last post were not directed at anyone in particular. They SHOULD indeed be painful to listen to for any educator trying to do the right thing without giving excuses. While there are individual exceptions to most "group findings" the ending scores and totals show the big picture. It is hard to argue with the facts.

 

Any educator who took personal offense, probably fits into the group that cares. Educators who feel that they cannot make a difference without first having more money, (again) probably fit into the other group.

 

Nuf Said