claude dallas

[bowsniper]

TREESTANDMAN,

 

Remind me never to piss you off!

 

Bowsniper

[.270]

well, finally a little dialogue with some thought to it. a little emotion too. i don't think you can lump claude dallas in with ruby ridge or waco. there appears to be some real "conspiracy" involved in both those cases. i think claude was a dumbass who didn't have any respect for laws, private property, other peoples opinions, etc. he was a nasty poacher. poaching whatever he saw all the way into canada and back. he was also a draft dodger and just basic nonconformist. now i'm a nonconformist too, for the most part, but still see the need for laws and rules. the 2 game wardens, especially pogue, were boss hog, "you in a heap o' trouble boy", power crazy, little weener/big gun syndrome jerks who'd been doing exactly what they wanted for a long time, with no one reining em back. they were doing their job and would have been remiss if they didn't check on the reports about dallas. but if they'd handled it just a little bit differently, probably nothing would have happened. when 2 sides met, it was like dumping sulphuric acid and water together. heck of mess. i think if both sides were more reasonable and weren't complete jackasses, this never woulda happened. Lark.

[couesdog]

Lark,

I respect your oppinion, but I strongly disagree. Claude Dallas should rot in a jail cell and then rot in heck. It is interesting how society wants to make a folk hero out of dirt bags. I remember when Danny Ray Horning was on the run in Northern Arizona. People were quit to lable him as the real life Rambo. There were some that even wanted to help him because he left "thank you" notes in people's cabins after he broke into them. He was perceived as a poor sap being hounded by the law.

 

What people forgot was that he was in prison for dismembering a guy in Stockton California and putting his body parts in a dumpster. There are still people that think that the dead guy in the dumpster deserved it, afterall, a person that leaves "thank you" notes would not kill anybody that didn't deserve it. At least with Danny Ray Horning justice was served. He was killed in prison.

 

How about Ted Bundy? He was an average well liked model citizen, until he was caught raping and killing young women. There were groupies at his trial that idolized him. One even married him while he was in prison. Some still believed that he was inocent even after he confessed to the killings the night before his execution!

 

Claude Dallas is no different. He is just another Psyco that has charm. I shouldn't matter was Pogue said or did, he didn't deserve to be shot in the head as he gasp for his last breath. His family doesn't deserve for his name to be slung through the mud. How about Elms? He didn't deserve to have his naked body drug by a horse and thrown in a river.

 

Burn in heck Claude Dallas and long live the memories of Pogue and Elms!!!

[COUESAZ]

You are right Lark you can not put ruby ridge and others with the claud thing. But my point of a bad idea going bad is alot the same . it was a wreck bound to happen and it did.

[.270]

one thing that i always look at it in this deal is that there were over 400, yes four hundred, people who had negative run-ins with pogue and elms who were willing to testify in this case. the other guys that pogue worked with had a hard time saying anything nice about the guy. what i keep saying is that if these guys didn't have such a history, dallas would have been convicted of first degree murder. they got put on trial. that's the way a good defense lawyer works. look at the oj deal. he was guilty as heck. everyone knew it, even the jurors. but the "dream team" was able to dig up enough dirt on the lapd that they got him off with manslaughter. they put the cops on trial. and sadly there were so many skeletons in the closet that the cops lost. same deal here. if pogue and elms were lily white and well liked, dallas wouldn't have had a chance. if they knew they were dealing with such a badass, they shoulda shook him down a little better and found the other gun. they made so many bad decisions in this deal that it ain't funny. there some real dumb things done after his arrest too. like letting one of the dead warden's brothers into his cell to pound on him for awhile and things like that. that didn't help the case any either. anytime any cop doesn't follow the rules, the case is gonna suffer. all it takes is "reasonable doubt". dallas wasn't some criminal mastermind. he ain't a genius. just a small time crook who got the drop on a couple guys who were used to pushing people around. all the crap about him being some super mt man and how his "way of life" was being threatened was bs. he was breakin' the law and got called on it. but the guys that called him on it made so many mistakes and acted so unprofessionally down in that canyon and in the years before that, that the entire thing turned into a joke. dallas probly deserves a dirt nap, but didn't get it because of past discretions by the wardens. Lark.

[shewwy]

Hi! I was just wondering, where'd you get the info on Danny Ray Horning being killed in prison? I hadn't heard that one?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lark,

I respect your oppinion, but I strongly disagree. Claude Dallas should rot in a jail cell and then rot in heck. It is interesting how society wants to make a folk hero out of dirt bags. I remember when Danny Ray Horning was on the run in Northern Arizona. People were quit to lable him as the real life Rambo. There were some that even wanted to help him because he left "thank you" notes in people's cabins after he broke into them. He was perceived as a poor sap being hounded by the law.

 

What people forgot was that he was in prison for dismembering a guy in Stockton California and putting his body parts in a dumpster. There are still people that think that the dead guy in the dumpster deserved it, afterall, a person that leaves "thank you" notes would not kill anybody that didn't deserve it. At least with Danny Ray Horning justice was served. He was killed in prison.

 

How about Ted Bundy? He was an average well liked model citizen, until he was caught raping and killing young women. There were groupies at his trial that idolized him. One even married him while he was in prison. Some still believed that he was inocent even after he confessed to the killings the night before his execution!

 

Claude Dallas is no different. He is just another Psyco that has charm. I shouldn't matter was Pogue said or did, he didn't deserve to be shot in the head as he gasp for his last breath. His family doesn't deserve for his name to be slung through the mud. How about Elms? He didn't deserve to have his naked body drug by a horse and thrown in a river. 

 

Burn in heck Claude Dallas and long live the memories of Pogue and Elms!!!

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[Idahocoueshunter]

I don't know all about the case, but I did attend many days of the trial, and I don't recall one time of an incident of a 12 year old pistle whipping being mentioned. The only witness to the crime, feared for his life, that alone should tell you something about his friend Dallas. Every time a law enforcement officer does his job, someone is not going to like it. Pogue had enemies, maybe we call all recall when we did not treat someone with respect, but that doesn't mean they are justified to kill us. Dallas, if you do more research than gossip, is a slick con man who was above the law. He, like all criminals have a support group that abeted his escape, but that doesn't mean he was "well liked" and obviously justified because he shot an officer who may have stepped on the pride of game poachers who then labled him an ^&&hole. Dallas should still be on death row. Instead he lives 50 miles from me. I hope he doesn't hear I pissed off a telemarketer, who now thinks I'm a bootlegged thug, and "justifiably" knocks me off.

Just venting, thanks for the opertunity.

 

 

Craig.