TAM Report post Posted January 6, 2009 After many years of putting it off, my wife and I finally got around to taking our concealed carry class here in Prescott this past Saturday. What an eye opener!!! I've been around guns all my life and probably learned more in 8 hours than the previous 35 years put together. Prior to taking this class I thought I knew enough about gun laws to get by. I was wrong! I thought I knew what my rights were. I was wrong! I thought I knew what gun saftey was. I was wrong! Much of what I believed before taking this class was inaccurate. Some of my beliefs would have landed me in jail if I ever had to act on them. I believe that anyone that has the time and means to take this class will benefit from it big time. Even if you don't ever plan to carry a gun concealed it's still good to know your rights. I think it will also help a person to become a more responsible gun owner and supporter of our second ammendment rights. Here are some interesting facts: The average shooting takes place at a distance of only 6 feet. The average length of time for shootings is 2.5 seconds. The average number of shots fired in a shooting is 3. The average number of bad guys involved in a shooting is 2. 80% of shootings occur at night. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ernesto C Report post Posted January 6, 2009 Yeap, 12 Gauge short barrel with buck shot (holds 7 rounds), 357 Mag, and 38 Special as a back up; they will go through walls and for sure will drop them dead if necessary. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TAM Report post Posted January 6, 2009 Ernesto, that's exactly how I felt before the class. You are 100% responsible for your bullet once you pull the trigger. A 9mm bullet will penetrate 6 sheets of 1/2 inch dry wall. It is your responsibility to make sure your bullet doesn't shoot through a wall and kill your sleeping child, or your neighbor, or a jogger, or a kid at the park. I learned that there is a LOT more that goes into responsible gun ownership then I ever knew before. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GodIsGood Report post Posted January 6, 2009 The part I found to be the most alarming was despite our "castle doctrine" laws - which will allow you to likely avoid criminal prosecution if you use deadly force to thwart an immanent threat at your home... you still stand a reasonable and frightening chance of CIVIL prosecution for the manner you conduct yourself. Any schmuck can sue any schmuck, and the survivors of an intruder you sent to heck can tie up and spend every dollar you have [and then some] if they convince a scumbag attorney that you acted with malice of forethought to send they loved-one to heck. Fine print includes the type of weapon and type of ammo you chose to defend your castle. What you say to the police after a shooting is CRITICAL. Even though you did the right and necessary thing to defend your fam and castle - you should SAY NOTHING UNTIL YOU DISCUSS THE INCIDENT WITH AN ATTORNEY - even if it's just a public defender. I encourage everyone to take the CCW class - even if you dont feel compelled to carry a concealed weapon - the instructors are usually law enforcement officers with a huge wealth of info. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yotebuster Report post Posted January 6, 2009 How do I get signed up for one of these? I'm sure this is on another thread somewhere, but just a quick idea would be good, I'm in the NW valley if that helps. Yote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ernesto C Report post Posted January 7, 2009 Ernesto, that's exactly how I felt before the class. You are 100% responsible for your bullet once you pull the trigger. A 9mm bullet will penetrate 6 sheets of 1/2 inch dry wall. It is your responsibility to make sure your bullet doesn't shoot through a wall and kill your sleeping child, or your neighbor, or a jogger, or a kid at the park. I learned that there is a LOT more that goes into responsible gun ownership then I ever knew before. What I ment is that if I see the guy going behind a wall, I wont hesistate to damage the wall to knock his bud down!! It will be completly stupid to shoot if the bullet is going to take your child too! If a "bad guy" comes into your house after midnigth, through the window, with knife or gun on hand, he has no bussines at all there and that's enough reasons to blow his brains out..............yea you may have a little blood on the floor but that's better than have a love one on pain,destroy for the rest of his/her life. Ernesto C Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TAM Report post Posted January 7, 2009 There are a thousand different "what if" senarios that could be discussed all day, but the point is that by taking the class you will be a much more educated and responsible gun owner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ernesto C Report post Posted January 7, 2009 Yeap, before taking the class I already knew bullets will go through walls. I'm glad you learned a lot in that class Is this turning political yet? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TAM Report post Posted January 7, 2009 And that's your first mistake Ernesto! One of the major gun saftey rules is to be sure of your target and beyond! How can you be sure of your target if it's behind a wall? That's a bad decision that could potentially hurt or endanger other people and also put you in a lot of legal trouble. Again... my point is that this class will help educate gun owners and help them become more aware of proper gun saftey and there rights in a self defense situation. Ernesto If you don't think this conversation is involves politics then feel free to excuse yourself anytime you'd like. You are the perfect example of a mis-informed person that should go and take the class. It could save you a pretty good chunk of change on legal fees and even jail time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
catclaw Report post Posted January 7, 2009 Ernesto, that's exactly how I felt before the class. You are 100% responsible for your bullet once you pull the trigger. A 9mm bullet will penetrate 6 sheets of 1/2 inch dry wall. It is your responsibility to make sure your bullet doesn't shoot through a wall and kill your sleeping child, or your neighbor, or a jogger, or a kid at the park. I learned that there is a LOT more that goes into responsible gun ownership then I ever knew before. What I ment is that if I see the guy going behind a wall, I wont hesistate to damage the wall to knock his bud down!! It will be completly stupid to shoot if the bullet is going to take your child too! If a "bad guy" comes into your house after midnigth, through the window, with knife or gun on hand, he has no bussines at all there and that's enough reasons to blow his brains out..............yea you may have a little blood on the floor but that's better than have a love one on pain,destroy for the rest of his/her life. Ernesto C Ernesto- from reading your past posts, it seems that you portray yourself to be a good Christian person. Comments like these are hardly becoming of a Christian. Taking someone's life is the most serious thing a person could ever do. Certainly not something to be taken lightly and joked about like this. I am certainly surprised by you attitude towards this. Tim made a good point with starting this thread. Most people who own guns really have only a guess at what they can and can't LEGALLY do with respect to using deadly force. Your ignorant statements certainly lump you into this group. Those that haven't had the benefit of years of formal firearms and legal training in deadly force usage[like those of us in law enforcement] would be well advised to take advantage of such a class. Other benefits are obvious; carrying concealed in public and the ability to purchase a firearm from a dealer withOUT a background check. An 8 hour class now can save you hours and even days as well as untold expenses should you do something stupid with your gun out of ignorance down the road. It doesn't matter how much you think you know about guns- and I'll bet that there are a lot of things you think you know that you don't, there will be plenty of things that you can pick up in such a class. There are certain elements that have to be covered in these classes to satisfy state law. I know of too many sad stories where someone brandished a gun and got himself in a lot of hot water because he assumed that it was his "right." Don't be the fool. If you don't want to take a CCW class don't! But don't belittle those who do because you think you are too good to bother with it yourself. We are about to embark upon a 4-year stretch where our rights to do anything with guns will be assaulted at every opportunity. The only chance we have to keep them intact is to stay together and fight a good fight. Divisive comments like these are exactly what will bring the downfall of what we have fought so hard to keep. I have been to many classes where I knew more and was more qualified than the instructor but I still learned something and was able to add something worthwhile to the class. We ALL ought to have our CCW licenses! They should be a badge of honor, not a point of mockery or joking! There- now this is political~! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Birddog Report post Posted January 7, 2009 I took the class last month and I learned alot as well. I also bought the books they offered in the class to help with some of the gun laws. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ac guy Report post Posted January 7, 2009 I've been in a couple sticky situations in my life, and let me tell you, the thought that you may have to take a human's life will go through your mind, and you will take that into account.. Things will slow down, and your senses will be fine tuned. You will not be shooting through walls, you will be carefully plotting every step. Luckily, the fact that you are armed will more than likely take care of the threat, without shots having to be fired, but don't bet your life on it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ernesto C Report post Posted January 7, 2009 Catclaw, christian or no christian, I dont think any one will let his kids get raped and just watch and do nothing correct?. You called me "good christian"......I never said or called my self "good christian" We all know good.....there is only one. Tim, like you said, we can go on and on with scenarios, you need to re-read my post. Ernesto C Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GameHauler Report post Posted January 7, 2009 Thanks Tim for the post. I have been thinking about it for a while and this may have just been the motivation to do it. I never really felt the need to CCW since we can carry exposed in Az but the education would be good and I could conceal if wanted and the points catclaw brought up are valid also. Will they teach me how to conceal a 6" 357 revolver Also, just think about how many times you have seen a nice buck when you did not have a gun. OH CRAP I better shut up or AZGFD may outlaw CCW for hunting Gino, Want to go to school? I have Hanks card right here in my desk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chef Report post Posted January 7, 2009 Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
